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Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech Current rating: 0
02 Mar 2003
According to documents recently posted to the Houston IMC News Wire, Loel Coleman, a Houston area lawyer, plans to file a lawsuit against the Houston IMC alleging "libel" on Monday, March 3, 2003. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) will represent Houston IMC during the proceedings. Mr. Coleman's actions are widely seen as an attack on open-publishing (e.g., he has demanded IP logs from Houston IMC) and an attempt to undermine Indymedia generally.

Loel Coleman's case may set legal precedent and is of concern for all Indepedent Media Centers. Copies of the libel suit and plaintiff demands are attached.
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According to documents recently posted to the Houston IMC News Wire, Loel Coleman, a Houston area lawyer, plans to file a lawsuit against the Houston IMC alleging "libel" on Monday, March 3, 2003. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) will represent Houston IMC during the proceedings. Mr. Coleman's actions are widely seen as an attack on open-publishing (e.g., he has demanded IP logs from Houston IMC) and an attempt to undermine Indymedia generally.

Loel Coleman's case may set legal precedent and is of concern for all Indepedent Media Centers. Copies of the libel suit and plaintiff demands are attached.
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Houston IMC -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
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Re: Houston IMC -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech, Indymedia
Current rating: -1
02 Mar 2003
If you would like to let Loel Coleman know about your concerns or discuss them with him, his contact information (from the libel suit header) is:

Loel Coleman, Attorney at Law
228 Jamison Rd., Angleton, TX 77515
e-mail: joel (at) coolrio.com
telephone: 832-287-5072; 979-848-3246
fax: 979-849-6568

Feel free to add commentary and thoughts below.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 6
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 04:07:35 PM
What a punk, albeit a punk that's also a lawyer. Just finished reading the PDF Mr. Coleman created, and it looks like he wanted to produce a questionable, inflammatory radio piece, and when the HIMC staff very politely declined, he began throwing a tantrum, which included posting private email correspondence all over the place, and now culminating in a groundless lawsuit.

This is a power struggle, a fight for personal control of the/this/their forum, plain and simple, and one that has likely occurred, or will occur, at all IMC's.

It's the very reason all IMC's are run by consensus, and not for profit. One jerk, Mr. Coleman, didn't get his way, so now he's suing. His accusation of libel, is because the HIMC board called him a jerk in public, and he now wants to sue them to get the last word, and remove them from the HIMC board. Fat chance, lawyer-boy.
Clarification
Current rating: -6
02 Mar 2003
Understand that this is not a suit against himc. It is against 5 individuals who attacked the character of myself and others instead of dealing with concerns through a consensus based process. They want you to think that it is against the himc and has deep constitutional free speech issues imbedded in it. It does not and don't be fooled. They are trying to cover for their deeds as individuals and are hiding behind the banner of indymedia to get away with what they have done.
Clarification
Current rating: -3
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 05:29:14 PM
Understand that this is not a suit against himc. It is against 5 individuals who attacked the character of myself and others instead of dealing with concerns through a consensus based process. They want you to think that it is against the himc and has deep constitutional free speech issues imbedded in it. It does not and don't be fooled. They are trying to cover for their deeds as individuals and are hiding behind the banner of indymedia to get away with what they have done.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 6
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 05:55:22 PM
Loel:

I can read, and took the time to read exactly what was in the PDF's you provided.

You can plead your case on indymedia's sites all you want, but I suppose the final decision (on whether your case is nothing more than frivolous and emotional) will come from a judge and a court of law.

Your nearly instantaneous reply on this forum, within a couple of hours of my previous summary, only supports my initial perception - that you're a lawyer with a delicate ego, further abusing our justice system for personal gain.

You're part of the problem, not of the solution. It would appear you were offered ample opportunity to defend yourself in public, but that wasn't enough for you. You wanted to make your critics pay, in court, and maybe financially (I noticed your little $25K "fine" clause, if your detractors don't jump as high and as silently as you demand.)

Get a life; people have much more serious business to attend to. None of the indymedia sites serve one person. None are obligated to allow you to use them as your personal forum, whether your issues/comments have merit or not.

These are the fundamental points you are conveniently neglecting to remember. If the local indymedia group decided that your radio report (the seed of this whole debacle) wasn't appropriate, so what? You decide to attack them, and when they call you on your behavior, you then threaten to sue for libel?

You're a sad, pitiful man.
How Coleman Started It - His Libelous Post
Current rating: 0
02 Mar 2003
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The last time I brought up the Eddie threat, many of the radio team appeared to react with avoidance. We all know that Eddie, who is still making problems for KPFT and the activist community, is not acting out of concern for the station, or for the community. I find himc's silence on this is troubling. Within the activist community, a possible saboteur/ provocateur is big news, whether that person be acting intentionally or out of some bizarre psychological need.

I have toyed with the idea of doing a story on the history of Eddie's antics. This would do a service to the station and the the local activist community as well exposing the disruptiveness of he and his wing. Evidence tends to indicate that he is distracting kpft from staying on the track of getting back to the mission. It is very newsworthy and an issue that I feel indymedia needs to be covering. I personally feel that our failure to cover it is virtually tantamount to supporting or at least silently acquiescing in his behavior.

It would take a week or two to put together such a story (maybe a two part series) in order to interview those who have dealt with him in the past. e.g. Montrose Radio folk, Gloria Rubac, the indymedia experience, his latest antics at KPFT, going into the Buzzanco fiasco, etc.


loel
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 07:12:24 PM
Mr. Johnson:

So an e-mail/list message from Loel states that he feels that "the Eddie story" should be allowed and has merit. What does this prove?

Without knowing the intimate details of the beginning of this dispute, I'm still going to side with the decision made by a group of five, representing the best interests of HIMC, not Loel.

I know that's not what this petty lawyer is actually suing for, so don't bother schooling me. He's p*ssed-off that his (original radio-show) proposal was rejected, so he attacked the board-members personally, waited for them to respond in kind, and then whipped out his... libel suit. What a slimeball.

This whole dispute is, in the parlance of the region, horsesh*t. It's come down to a "he-said, she-said" p*ssing match. The only upper-hand Loel has, is that he's already a lawyer, so he doesn't have to expend the same (financial) resources to sue somebody. I repeat, what a slimeball.

And the claim that the five folks named, are "hiding behind the HIMC", is poppycock also. They would appear to represent the local HIMC, are they not board-members or directors, or some other decision making body?

They are not just five random people living across the street from Loel, they do appear to represent the local IMC, and within that organization, by design, have more weight or even power, than one man named Loel. I don't see anything unfair about that.

To repeat a comment I made previously, "so what" if the (radio) board decided to turn down one man's radio-article proposal. So what? He sues them for libel, and desperately wants the indymedia community to take pity on him? It's way too late for that.

Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 3
02 Mar 2003
This issue appears to be simple: Loel Coleman wanted to
post material to the Houston IMC website that the editorial
committee considered potentially libelous and in violation
of their policies. Therefore, they declined to post this
material. Ultimately, it's the decision of the editorial
committee of an IMC to decide what should or should not be
published -- to protect themselves, this committee of the
Houston IMC probably should not have stated that Mr.
Coleman's material was potentially libelous, but rather
inappropriate to the goals of their organization. Editors
always reserve the right to decline publication of material,
as other news outlets are always available, particularly
with the advent of the internet.

Perhaps most disturbing about this, is that Mr. Coleman
is attempting to micromanage the decision-making structure
of the Houston IMC through the threat of a lawsuit. This
would be like someone demanding that the editorial staff
of a major newspaper resign from their jobs because of an
unfavorable article. While it is possible to receive
compensation for libel under the law from news organizations,
it's a bit of a stretch to try to dictate who's going to
run the editorial department of a news organization that one
happens to disagree with.

Mr. Coleman is also seeking the IP address of an anonymous
person from the Houston IMC who made a potentially libelous
comment. However, the press has a long history of
maintaining the confidentiality of news sources on the
grounds that this protects such sources from potential
retaliation from disgruntled powerbrokers. Another problem
is the "open forum" format by which comments can be made
by anonymous persons -- it may not be possible, nor
appropriate, for a website with such a format to monitor
all such posts. This lawsuit is significant because it
could exert a strong "chilling effect" on the ability of
all newsgroups on the internet to post controversial news.
This reminds me of the lawsuit against Oprah Winfrey by
the Beef Industry because they didn't like it when she said
on her television show that she would be reluctant to eat
hamburgers in the aftermath of "Mad Cow" disease in Great
Britain and Europe. This suit was filed in Texas as well.

Personally, I think Mr. Coleman's lawsuit could undermine
our 1st Amendments rights on the internet in several ways,
some of which have been delineated above. It's no wonder
the American Civil Liberties Union is representing the
Houston IMC. Good for them.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
02 Mar 2003
loels's email is loel @ coolrio.com, not joel as indicated
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: -2
02 Mar 2003
As a founding member of HIMC, I can verify that Loel's Coleman's claims are accurate, and then some. Loel is taking legal action against a long string of abuses that did indeed begin with the unfair characterization of his work, but have mushroomed since into a virtual dictatorhship of the organization by a small handful of people (most of them named in his lawsuit), who have arrogated to themselves the power of editorial control of HIMC. There is a great need for reform of HIMC, but appeals to reason, and endless process proposals have been of no avail. In the absence of any external oversight to assure justice, democracy and transparency, Loel is hardly to be blamed for seeking legal recourse. He, too, is a founding member of HIMC, and is naturally disconcerted by the current situation.

Peace,
Ken Freeland
Houston Indymedia Center
Error In This Story
Current rating: 0
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 10:38:00 PM
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) will represent Houston IMC" has some errors:
- Greg Gladden is an ACLU attorney who has offered to represent us, but the ACLU has not been involved.
- We have not yet entered into a contract.
- The HIMC is not a party to the case, it is against five of us.
Error In This Story
Current rating: 0
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 10:39:53 PM
"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) will represent Houston IMC" has some errors:
- Greg Gladden is an ACLU attorney who has offered to represent us, but the ACLU has not been involved.
- We have not yet entered into a contract.
- The HIMC is not a party to the case, it is against five of us.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: -2
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 03 Mar 2003
As a current and active member of the editorial committee of the HIMC, currently all my editorial input/requests have been blocked by the password holders, who are named in the pending lawsuit by Loel Coleman, I fully understand the nature of his complaint. These people who have a monopoly of power of the houston indymedia site have repeated demonstrated a propensity to subvert any and all attempts to make the process open and democratic. These same people named in the suit have agreed to train and share access to the site have reneged on every agreement they have made at general meetings, yet they are the same one who have taken this suit to the open web site to advertise their defence by appealing to the uninformed.
What is an activist/journalist suppose to do when we want to participate with an independent media and our appeals, suggestions, requests are frustrated, denied, blocked and rejected? I call that censorship and in Loel's case, not only is it censorship but is slander when they made statements to discredit and impugn his reputation and character as an activist/journalist/lawyer.
What happens when indymedias are allowed to rot from inside and nobody has the courage to make the needed changes to make indymedias perform the way they were intended, according to the mission statement, what happens when they get hy-jacked by six people?
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 5
02 Mar 2003
Modified: 03 Mar 2003
Ken Freeland's repeated assertion that Nick Cooper and the other defendants are a "small handful of people" is a self-serving distortion. Of the 20 or so members attending our meetings or subscribed to our process list, the clear majority supports the five defendants. Coleman's demand/remedy, "to turn over all Houston Independent Media Center website passwords to Ken Freeland, Robert Graham and Loel Coleman," would undermine the democratic rights of all HIMC members to choose their own password-holders. Freeland's open support for Coleman's tactics while complaining about "undemocratic" actions of our current password holders is pure hypocrisy.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 28
03 Mar 2003
Modified: 05:04:19 AM
I'm an outside observer who's been watching this debate happen on the HIMC site for months - it appears to me that there is a fairly simple answer to this whole problem.

First, this lawsuit should be dropped. Mr. Coleman, if you are seriously concerned about open publishing, censorship, and the Houston IMC, you will appeal to the Global IMC collective to empower a council of judgement, which should be made up of a panel of media activists who have no prior knowledge of this situation. No self-respecting media activist should be using the government's courts against other media activists, and it's shameful that you've done so.

If you proceed with this case, without appealing to the other IMC collectives for assistance, you will be setting a very dangerous precedent for the whole federation, and you will be forfeiting any legitimacy that your claims may have in the eyes of other independent media producers.

How you respond to this, I would suggest, will be indicative of whether, as you seem to claim above, your interests are those of someone who is worried about censorship and statements that have defamed your reputation as a media activist.

A few comments on a previous post:

"they are the same one who have taken this suit to the open web site to advertise their defence by appealing to the uninformed."

Are you suggesting that this story, which seems to mirror almost exactly the original story by Mr. Coleman (i.e., 'activist disrupts local community'), shouldn't have been published? That would be, to say the least, a little ironic. One difference between the allegedly 'censored' story, and the one we're all reading here, is that *someone actually bothered to write this one.*

"What is an activist/journalist suppose to do when we want to participate with an independent media and our appeals, suggestions, requests are frustrated, denied, blocked and rejected?"

Mr. Coleman could have actually done some work and written a story, recorded the audio, and published it on the HIMC open newswire. As far as I can tell, this option has always been, and is still, open to him. The dispute as I understand it was regarding whether it was a good idea to develop this story idea for use as a lead on the HIMC / Pacifica radio show.

The fact that Mr. Coleman hasn't bothered to do anything, in any of the alternate venues that are available to him, about the imminent threat posed to the Houston activist community by this Eddie fellow's "disruptive activities", speaks volumes about this lawsuit. As far as I understand it, the HIMC publishing wire is open, there about 80 other IMCs, and in fact the entire internet continues to function normally.

If this Eddie character is such a threat to the well-being, security, and moral hygiene of the Houston left, then why is Mr. Coleman wasting time with a lawsuit against the HIMC? Why has he still *not written the story?*

"I call that censorship and in Loel's case, not only is it censorship but is slander when they made statements to discredit and impugn his reputation and character as an activist/journalist/lawyer."

No one has been censored. If Mr. Coleman wants to publish a story on the HIMC newswire, he's free to do it.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
03 Mar 2003
Modified: 09:57:36 AM

Another thing that smells fishy in this, is how did a guy (Loel) who supposedly was aligned with the best interests of the HIMC, come to align himself with what would seem to be the right-wing old-guard of Houston, in his current effort of trying to pervert justice to squeeze the real-names/passwords out-of pseudo-anonymous posters? This smells like a plot long in the making (by Loel and his coconspirators).

In addition, all IMC's have boards, that make decisions, that must be made. They expend the work and energy, so I respect their decisions, both locally, and in Houston. I don't always agree 100% with the decisions made by our local board(s), but I respect them, and feel like they have our collective's best interests at heart.

It's unavoidable that any local IMC's "flavor" will be influenced by the individuals that guide them, but I've no problem with that. They put in the work, so they can make the decisions. I've never felt like they made any decisions that were unfair, personally biased, or otherwise misguided.

Like many have said, Loel had/still has several outlets at his disposal to publish his "Eddie expose". Obviously what's set him off on this childish witchhunt, is the fact that the HIMC radio-board gave him a thumbs-down on his proposal, so this is the resulting tantrum.

Loel, please get a life, and allow the fine folks at the HIMC to return to more important business. If you have any decency left, announce that you're dropping this frivolous lawsuit, and you might just salvage some respect.

This Is Awesome!!!
Current rating: -1
03 Mar 2003
StoryLine:

Having run out of people and corporations to sue, Leftist, have decided on an entirely new tactic. Sue each other. Loel, I am sure you are as left as they come, but I support any effort which keeps the lib's heads on other business and away from foreign policy where clearly they are overmatched. Like the former Soviet Union, you will go a long way from destroying yourselves from within.

Keep up the excellent work and God Bless America,

Jack
Error In This Story
Current rating: 0
03 Mar 2003
Modified: 02:10:00 PM
While it is true that 5 individuals are listed in the suit,
and not the Houston IMC, and examination of the suit and
the proposed "agreement" with its numerous conditions and
restrictions reveals that they are directed primarily
toward the operations of the Houston IMC. If 5 other
individuals had sat on the editorial committee and decided
against supporting Mr. Coleman's material, it seems to me
that substantially the same suit and "agreement" would have
been produced. It's much easier to sue private individuals
for libel than news organizations; in the latter case,
the courts are often reluctant to impose restrictions.
I suspect Mr. Coleman knows this, and thus is attempting
to portray this as a personal matter.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
03 Mar 2003
My favorite part is the threatening letter that sez, "The case should be very straightforward. Your statement of July 4, 2003 is libelous."

@%<
Eleven HIMC Volunteers Refuse To Work With Ken Freeland And Robert Graham
Current rating: 0
03 Mar 2003
Modified: 06:01:55 PM
We, the undersigned, will not volunteer any more of our time doing IMC work with Ken Freeland or Robert Graham. We will nonviolently oppose their participation in our meetings and lists, and not consent to any Action Guideline violations charges against others for doing the same. We welcome Ken and Robert's continuing content contributions to the web site.

Jon Frederick, himc-process
Shannon Young, himc-radio
Thomas Zermeno, himc-tech
John Bachir, himc-tech
Zen DeSoto, himc-photo
Hep Ingham, himc-process
Chris Sampson, himc-radio
Nick Cooper, himc-photo, etc.
Tish Stringer, himc-video, etc.
Jackson Allers, himc-radio, etc.
Renee Feltz, himc-radio, etc.
Can't We All Just Get Along!!!
Current rating: -1
04 Mar 2003
I sense disunity in utopian, liberal land. Hey, the undersigned boys said you they are advocating non-violence towards Robbie and Kenny. Are you guys going to put up with that? Quit being a bunch of pussies and settle like men.

Then your site would have violence and nudity.

Just a suggestion,

Jack
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: -1
04 Mar 2003
I love the way a supposedly "independent" news site tries so hard to make the ACLU look like it actually supports freedom of speech.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: -1
05 Mar 2003
Wow, I leave and you hippies sue each other. Kick Ass! No more having to keep you pukes in check. I guess its sucks when everyone becomes a whiney liberal doesn't it; Enjoy your own medicine.

John Rambo
"I am your worst nightmare"
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
05 Mar 2003
Modified: 06:48:16 PM
But the ACLU DOES support free speech -- see the news
story about the people arrested in a shopping mall for
wearing peace t-shirts. They're being represented by
the New York ACLU. Members of the right-wing often attack
the ACLU because they don't want everyone in the country
to enjoy the same rights -- free speech is only for
warhawks, like themselves. What did George Orwell say,
"Some animals are more equal than others?"

John Hilty
Current rating: -1
05 Mar 2003
John,

The ACLU does not, nor has it ever, fought for free speech. Otherwise, they would have been on the same side as the Abortion protesters who do so peacefully, not the nutbags, who shoot the Abortion Docs because by their very actions, they have proven they are not pro-life. I am speaking of the Old Ladies who pray while your boys are carrying out your "final solution". By the way we won that one in the Supreme Court with no help from the ACLU.

As for the spying on other countries. Had Clinton not decimated the CIA, and the Senate Intelligence Committee not broken the story that we had the capabilty to listen to every cell phone in the world, we probably could have prevented 9-11. I guess the commie lib Sen. was just praticing free speech. Too bad for the 3000 dead huh?

Jack
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: -2
05 Mar 2003
"But the ACLU DOES support free speech..."
By this point, I was already neck-high in bullshit from people who believe whatever they're told, that I couldn't manage to finish reading the pathetic thing you probably consider a coherent response. It was more like casually walking past a mirror and suddenly noticing that the dildo you used to make the whore moan last night is still stuck up your ass: a very unpleasant sight that, probably, will disturb you for the rest of the day -if not your life.
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
06 Mar 2003
Modified: 05:22:29 PM
Jack,

I'd rather take my chances with free speech and a lack
of government spying on cell phones. There is nothing
more dangerous than state power, especially when it acts
in a secretive manner that is beyond the purview of
members of the public. If this means one or two buildings
are blown up that otherwise could have been avoided, then
so be it. Personally, I don't think those terrorists would
have targeted us anyway if our government had the wisdom
to stay out of Middle East politics. We don't need their
oil anyway -- the cornfields and soybeans in the Midwest
can produce plenty of grain alcohol and biodiesel fuel
to meet many of our needs.

I don't know enough about the abortion clinic issue to
comment on it. I'm willing to admit, however, that the
ACLU doesn't serve the needs of "right wing" groups as
well as left wing groups in regards to free speech -- but
no group can be all things to all people.

This conversation is wandering from the topic of this
thread. Back to Loel Coleman: It should be noted that
there are people with authoritarian tendencies in both
left-wing and right-wing circles. Fanaticism breeds
intolerance of divergent opinions, as well as intolerance of
the uncertainties that are inherent in democratic checks and
balances. A majority of persons decided against the
radio program at the Houston IMC, therefore Loel has
decided to retaliate against them in the courts. He claims
that they violated his free speech, while they claim
that he is attempting to violate their free speech.

Such squabbling is not necessarily a sign of weakness:
it is often a sign of strength, and organizations are
often made the better because of it in the long run.
There is more quarreling within democratic government than
an authoritarian regime. This does not mean that democratic
government is weaker, and the authoritarian regime is
better and stronger.


Amendment Number One
Current rating: 0
09 Mar 2003
Modified: 05:21:41 PM
The attack on this Amendment has been astonishing of late- from "Give Peace a Chance" tshirts in a "private" mall to the label of "libel" in Houston.

Comments that are "controversial" or "radical" have never been considered libel in the past- it is opinion, and opinion that until recently, when the Hawks invaded this country,was protected by our constitution.

In fact- the very foundation of this country involved the expression of opinions that were at the time were "controversial" and perhaps "libel".

I think the totalitarian government and lawmakers who unjustly took control of the US are a collective horror show- and that the puppeted George W has transformed into a dictator akin to Adolf.

Do you think I should now be concerned about Bush Jr. suing me for libel?

This suit is a farce.
Nice Kity
Current rating: -1
10 Mar 2003
Modified: 10:15:24 AM
Kity,

Please understand, that you and all your friends have the right and will always have the right to wear and say almost whatever, whacked out, idea that enters your iron head. The troops in Gulf, who you protest, as well as the millions of white crosses in military grave yards have fought and died to preserve this right. Your lack of even a hint of appreciation for these acts of valor and sacrifice is what upsets us loyal Americans the most.

You really need to get over this election thing. It's called the electoral college. Look into it. By the way, we had an election since then and refresh my memory: Who has the majority in both houses of Congress, the executive branch and the Supreme Court? Oh yeah, it's the good guys.

Will Bush sue you for libel. No, because he is too busy trying to protect, your sorry, ungrateful ass.

In conclusion, wear a anti-American T shirt, wear a wet T shirt(if you can fill it out) for all I care. The liberation for Iraq will continue with or without you.

God Bless America,

Jack
Dear Jack,
Current rating: 0
10 Mar 2003
Modified: 05:42:36 PM
And to think this whole time I thought I was talking about an Indy Media libel lawsuit ...If I had known that my personal patriotism was on trial, perhaps I would have included a few facts about my "afterschool" activities. But no need to do that here.

HOW DARE YOU ASSUME anything about my person, my support of our country and her troops, or my patriotism. In fact, Jack-I dont have to "hint my appreciation" for the countless men and women who have died for our flag- as I fight for, express, and lobby to protect the very rights and freedoms that our beloved troops surrendered their lives for - every single day- while the majority of people, perhaps people like yourself, sit on their ass in front of reality TV shows. If you are against Freedom of Expression Sir, then I suggest you "look into" exactly what that beautiful flag represents.

My friends and family who are dutifully following their orders and commands, who have joined the troops in Kuwait awaiting the starter gun to unleash war- would not appreciate your criticism of my patriotism or my breast size. Are they there to liberate Iraq, Jack? Or was it to Fight The Axis Of Evil? Or was it to Conquer Terrorism? Or was it to Disarm Weapons of Mass Destruction....Well, Hell if Bush doesnt know - How am I (or the UN or millions of people around the world) supposed to rally behind this war? You can not "win" anything if there is no objective.

Oh and meanwhile...I think I hear Korea ticking.

Please direct further attacks on my character to me personally at my "sorry and ungrateful" email (previously provided), so as not to waste the space of IndyMedia's network with your tiresome accusatory and monotonous right wing dribble.

Choosing to worship Old Glory instead-
Kity
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: -1
11 Mar 2003
The ACLU is more likely to consider a christmas nativity scene in someone's yard offensive; but not the two guys hiding behind the shed trying to FUCK the sheep. Save us all from the ACLU.

John Rambo
"I am your worst nightmare"
Easy Kity
Current rating: -1
11 Mar 2003
Modified: 02:09:35 PM
Hey Kity,

Lighten up. Perhaps it was declaring that George Bush was Hitler that did it. You ask HOW DARE I QUESTION YOUR PATRIOTISM: Although quite frightened: DO YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY? if so how come you blame it for virtually everything it does? Sorry about the crack referring to your breast size I am sure they are lovely.

What unit is your family member serving in? Bet you won't tell me.

Peace Through Strength,

Jack
Good Morning Kity
Current rating: 1
12 Mar 2003
Kity,

I have not heard back from you. I hope you are not trying to expel a hairball or anything serious like that. In any case, you mentioned that you had family in the Gulf. If you tell me their branch and unit, I will make sure they get some support. We could send them a care package or something. I would like to show my gratitude for their sacrifice since you won't.

I will seriously be praying for their safety, victory, and a swift return home. Do you have anyone to feed you and change the liter box while your family is away?

Your Friend,

Jack
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
16 Mar 2003
Modified: 08:26:10 AM
Maybe I missed something, but after spending 10 minutes pursuing the links on this story, I have been unable to find the source of the problem. What exactly was said about Coleman -- I mean, what are the direct quotes and what was the context? I found copies of letters and brief paragraphs with hints of substance, plus a bunch of posts untouched by any spellchecker, that could have given insight into the personal politics of the Houston independent media scene (had I known who any of the participants are). But I still want to know exactly what the plaintiffs did that they are getting sued for.
Not saying it's your fault; just that it isn't easy to find, and as a citizen who wantsgood information, I sure would like it to be.
Here's The Scoop
Current rating: 0
16 Mar 2003
Modified: 03:27:20 PM
Jean,
Here is the deal: Loel is threatening to sue five people for libeling him. The "libelous statement" was that the five people objected to a story proposal made by Coleman because his story-as-proposed seemed likely to be libelous or personal, both of which are points in the HIMC editorial protocols. So, Loel felt that his character had been libeled because the rejection of his proposal might lead others to think of him as one likely to libel.
I Have Lost My Kity
Current rating: -4
16 Mar 2003
Kity,

Where have you gone? I am worried you were hit by a truck or something. Please meow, so I know you're ok.

Jack
Re: Indymedia Under Fire -- Pending Lawsuit Threatens Freedom Of Speech
Current rating: 0
30 Mar 2003
I GET A MESSAGE: 'YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO VIEW THIS WEBSITE" WHEN I GO TO ARTICLES IN INDEPENDENT MEDIA SITES.......WHAT THE HELL?????
You'll Have To Be More Specific
Current rating: 0
30 Mar 2003
AUM,
Your comment didn't actually seem to be directly relevant to the article. I will say that you need to be more specific about your complaint, as IMCs are hosted on a number of different servers. I don't think you've had the problem here on UC IMC, as we've had no recent reports of such problems.