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News :: Iraq : Peace : Regime
They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine. Current rating: 0
10 Apr 2005

In his groundbreaking novel "I, Robot," Isaac Asimov proproses three laws of robotics, the first one of which reads: "A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm." These laws are still bandied about by artificial intelligence researchers as a good starting point for an ethical foundation for guiding the design of robots that may some day think for themselves (see http://www.asimovlaws.com/ for a review). The idea is that technological advances are occurring so quickly that a moral groundwork needs to be laid before man destroys himself with his own technology. Apparently, the US military and the companies that design these killing machines for them don't see things the same way.

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Talon Explosive Ordnance Disposal system deployed in Iraq

This past week, I was absentmindedly surfing news channels, and stopped in my tracks when I viewed some very creepy photos of cameras and gun towers mounted on small platforms with miniature tractor treads. The voice of a military officer said, "We can remotely view the face of a person in the camera sight and decide whether to fire the guns." Knowing that no person seeing one of these devices coming towards them on the ground would wait around to face the camera for identification, it's clear that the military officer was trying to reassure the public that these killing machines are somehow safe and ethical, knowing full well that they are slaughtering machines designed to up the "kill ratio" while keeping our troops safely at a distance and (relatively) psychologically undisturbed as they play with controls that operate like a video game. We are told that these robots are called "Talon," so I thought I'd read up on them, and here is what I found out:

These robots are manufactured by a company called Foster-Miller. According to Global Security, a website specializing in military and security issues, "TALON is a powerful, lightweight, versatile robot designed for missions ranging from reconnaissance to weapons delivery. Its large, quick-release cargo bay accommodates a variety of sensor payloads, making TALON a onerobot [sic] solution to a variety of mission requirements."

The model pictured in Iraq is an Explosive Ordnance Disposal system designed to save lives during the decommissioning and destruction of bombs, confiscated explosives, etc. This life-saving device is the one most frequently trumpeted in press releases and military propaganda. However, the website goes on to say: "Soldiers have armed robots as battle buddies by early 2005. The Special Weapons Observation Reconnaissance Detection System, or SWORDS, joins Stryker Brigade Soldiers in Iraq when it finished final testing. The system consists of a weapons platform mounted on a Talon robot. It’s not a new invention, its just bringing together existing systems.... Different weapons can be interchanged on the system – the M16, the 240, 249 or 50-caliber machine guns, or the M202 –A1 with a 66mm rocket launcher. Soldiers operate the SWORDS by remote control, from up to 1,000 meters away. In testing, it’s hit bulls eyes from as far as 2,000 meters away. The only margin of error has been in sighting. It can engage while on the move, but it’s not as accurate."

The SWORDS device is the one pictured manuevering across trade-show carpet. The error in sighting is not explained--one can imagine it being either due to operator error in determining what is or is not an enemy target, or problems in aiming. However, "as of late 2004 there were four SWORDS in existence; 18 were requested for service in Iraq. Each system has cost about $230,000 to produce. When they go into production, it is estimated the cost per unit will drop to the range of $150,000 to $180,000." In other words, these defective devices are either in use right now in Iraq, or soon will be, killing God only knows who.

We are reassured that, "While many people are fearful that armed robots will run amok on the battlefield, this was not an issue for the demonstration. The robots employ a 'man in the loop' where the robots are always under the direct control of a soldier. The soldier issues commands to the robot and the small arms weapons through the robot's operator control unit. The soldier also issues commands to the rocket and grenade launchers through a newly developed Remote Firing and Control System. This firing and control system, which was developed by Duke Pro, allows a single soldier to control up to five separate firing systems using a 40 bit encryption security system."

In his groundbreaking novel "I, Robot," Isaac Asimov proproses three laws of robotics, the first one of which reads: "A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm." These laws are still bandied about by artificial intelligence researchers as a good starting point for an ethical foundation for guiding the design of robots that may some day think for themselves (see http://www.asimovlaws.com/ for a review). The idea is that technological advances are occurring so quickly that a moral groundwork needs to be laid before man destroys himself with his own technology. Apparently, the US military and the companies that design these killing machines for them don't see things the same way.

(Photos courtesy of GlobalSecurity.org.)

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Talon control unit
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Weaponized Talon

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Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
10 Apr 2005
The army machine is a remotely controlled device. A human controls the robot. I have been planning a humanoid robot for 37 years, the planning includes inhibitions when certain motions are defined when a human form is in the path. My robot would stop and call our robot base for further instructions. I've done extensive work in outline identification, longer than any others because I defined that definition in 1988, after designing the robot eye. I assure that if I have control of robot humanoid manufacture, a robot can never be used for aggressive wartime activities. The robot shall be capable of self- defense in non-injurious mannerisms.
The Economics of Death
Current rating: 0
10 Apr 2005
I'm sure taxpayers will be buying lots of these, now that the military death benefit is finally higher than the cost of a robot. Better yet would be to avoid the costs of war whenever it's possible -- like it certainly was in this case -- whether they are human or financial.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
11 Apr 2005
If that is really you ML, I doubt any civillian would be able to purchase the TALON. Plus it could not very icognito. A well placed bazooka or rocket round would render it useless instantly. Of course, a humaniod robot, could be a bit less conspicuous or well hidden.
Should Have Been Clearer
Current rating: 0
11 Apr 2005
Wayne,
While the taxpayers will be paying for these, I didn't mean to imply that we would get to actually own any. I was referring to the recent long overdue increase in the military death benefit from $20,000 to (I think) $250,000 by Congress when casualties went up and morale went down in Iraq. The beancounters will say that this makes robots cost effective, now that the price of a soldier's life is higher than that of a robot.

As for being able to disable the robot, I'm sure it's not quite bulletproof. On the other hand, it's low profile in movement and the ability to peek over defensive cover to shoot will make it a significantly tougher target than the typical overloaded infantry trooper. And I'm sure the military already has future generations of these things on the drawing board that will correct some its deficiencies, but I'm sure this correction of deficiencies will never include giving it a heart -- or even robotic morality such a Phil derives in his article.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
11 Apr 2005
Phil, I agree, the military suppliers are progressing with their development. Yet they are limited to hydraulic and electrical motors and treads. The camera and gun would have to be visible for the unit to peek, a laser could disable the camera and then the missile could follow the laser beam to it's target. Without the camera and gun the Talon is a useless platform, what, they will run over an enemy they can't see? I'll bet no matter how they update their unit, I've already been through the scenario for my beetle counter espionage unit. The FBI got ahold of one of my design notebooks a few years back. I accidently left the notebook on top of a pay phone in the Palatine, IL train station. They only asked me one question. "Are you a Patriot?"
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
11 Apr 2005
Great point Phil!

I already solved the re-programming problem, every one of my robots compiles it's scripts to a unique key. That program would not work in any other robot. You can only send a script to the robot if you know it's IP address and key, plus an originator's key. Any attempt to reprogram the robot improperly it shall destroy it's archive, and shut down. To repair you must rebuild the robot's bios which is completely impossible without another set of keys.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
15 Apr 2005
Reading this web regularly and watching some successful fundraising organized by IMC, I am really surprised that there is still no fundraising initiated to help Wayne Pickette to work further on his heat engine and robot's applications. Such kind of the approach seems to me to be the most reasonable one under the circumstances. Inventors are very valuable human beings and should be helped and preserved, never mistreated.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
15 Apr 2005
Probably the best chance of success would be for Wayne to approach one of the several venture capital firms in town. They invest in technologies that have commercial promise, and provide a great deal of business guidance in bringing a product to market.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
15 Apr 2005
I've already had a bad taste in my mouth dealing with Venture Capitalists and Investors. I have brought several products to market for other companies
1: The microprocessor 4004 for INTEL 1972.
2: Programmable PC Board Verification System for NuClear Data 1976.
3: Magic Chef integrated oven controller for Harper Wyman 1981.
3: WALMOR DATA SYSTEMS E-prom & micro-computer programmer 1984, I also was co-developer of that product.
theres more.

Let's just say I was taught a lot of dirty tricks of business the hard way by a good many of them.

theres are more.
It's against the by-laws.
Current rating: 0
15 Apr 2005
Let me get this straight. Beholder (*wink* *wink*) thinks that the IMC should hold a fundraiser to raise venture capital for Wayne's inventions, the reason being that "inventors are very valuable human beings and should be helped and preserved, never mistreated." Wayne (to his discredit) implicitly accepts this plan by saying that venture capitalists and investors have treated him wrong, and then gives a resume of his star-crossed accomplishments. So, rather than (or in addition to) raising money to expand community media outlets, the IMC should invest in Wayne.

Well, I have bad news for you. The UCIMC is a not-for-profit organization. To quote from the UCIMC by-laws (http://www.ucimc.org/mod/info/display/bylaws/index.php): "This corporation is organized exclusively for charitable and educational purposes, including for such purposes the making of distributions to organizations that qualify as exempt organizations under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, or the corresponding section of any future tax code." This would PROHIBIT the UCIMC from raising money for Wayne. So even though your goals are lofty (in your own minds, at least), the bottom line is, raise your own money.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
15 Apr 2005
If I gave an entire list of projects it would be two pages long! I just gave a few as a scenario.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
15 Apr 2005
At last count, I have 42 creative events, 28 of them patentable over 37 years.
Someone at IMC could write an article or two, indicating a Paypal fund people could reference to invest in the projects. That way they would not directly be involved.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
Non-injurious mannerisms? What would you have the robot do flip the bird to Osama? Well done Wayne. You deserve the F-ing Noble Peace Prize. This robot doesn't think for it's self, it relies on a soldier or marine for control commands. Lets take the funding away from technology that will potentially save American lives and put towards ensuring Urbana is a nuclear free zone. Do the black helicopters keep you awake at night?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
The humaniod robot shall know hand to hand combat moves, accurate throwing moves, and be surprisingly quick & strong when necessary to subdue an attacker(s).
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
Wayne Pickette is right, La Ley, the number of articles m including not only Indy media sources, but such sources as News -Gazette, for example, and similar would do the trick. Besides, IMC is, obviously, considering the protection of the environment to be one of its main goal, but the environment is not going to be protected by a lot of meetings, words, demonstrations, pledges of different current and future political leaders to protect it, etc., until the useful (an revolutionary) invention is implemented (see many articles on this web). Self promotions of different individual careers, utilizing this web, are not prohibited by law, but it has nothing to do with ANY possible improvement of environmental policies, which is clear for any beholder.

I was trying hard, Mike, but still wasn't able to understand what you wanted and want to say. Do you understand it himself? I doubt it.
It's a Troll, Anna
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
Whoops, I guess maybe you're going by beholder these days.

Anyway, Mike is engaged in what is called trolling. He's simply trying to get you upset enough to respond to his provocation, rather than staying on the subject.

The best advice is to ignore Mike. He doesn't have any point except that he doesn't like the fact that a large segment of the population doesn't think like he does.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
Okay, Beholder, you would like various media outlets to write articles about Wayne with pleas for financial support and links to a Paypal account, clearly a commercial activity. Fine, so long as we're clear on that. What was the News Gazette's response when you approached them? If you want them to do it, you're going to have to convince one of their writers to do it, because I doubt they'll pick up a free-lance article (advertisement, really) and run it out of the kindness of their heart.

Secondly, IMC writers. The IMC really doesn't have a stable of professional writers at beck and call. I suppose that the Public i comes the closest. To get an article in the Public i, you'd have to convince their editors and writers of the article's merit, and then convince someone to write it. Check out the latest issue for contact information.

The third and best alternative is for you and/or Wayne to write the articles yourselves. You could post them to the IMC website with no problem, and you wouldn't have to wait around for someone else to write the article for you.

I'm trying to be constructive here, because this issue has come up repeatedly, and has apparently not been resolved to your satisfaction. Please be proactive with this and do your own footwork, or accept that it's something that's not going to happen.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
PS -- Please don't take my comments as hostility. It's just that I see you banging your head against the same wall again and again. Truthfully, the articles that Anna and Wayne have written or commented on are among the most heavily commented articles on the UCIMC website. For better or worse, they draw a lot of attention, and they would be missed if they stopped. Anna and Wayne are interesting people, but this financial angle is really a distraction, and I can't think of a reputable journalist who would write the kind of article you're asking for. If you were more intent on letting your own light shine, promoting your own ideas and writings without turning it into an advertising pitch, perhaps financial benefits would come on their own. It certainly wouldn't hurt.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
A large segment of society, huh? Not large enough to win an election or elections rather. And no I am not "trolling" I know mister Pickette personally, thanks anyway.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
Wayne - come on, hand to hand moves? Thats a little sci-fi right now don't you think?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
A large segment of society, huh? Not large enough to win an election or elections rather. And no I am not "trolling" I know mister Pickette personally, thanks anyway.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
La Ley, Public I has written one article about Wayne, and I am sure would do more. News Gazette was interested once (Paul Wood), according to what I know, but then changed their (his more precisely) mind. If one tries Internet under Wayne's name, one can find out that the interest to Wayne's achievements is still increasing (articles all over Internet, new articles in Iran popular magazines, etc., etc..). As far as I know, it is not accompanied by any financial promotion (at least by now).
Mike( whoever you are), forgive me, but , if you know Wayne, better talk to him personally than place such ......... comments. Again, whoever you are, troll or even some of IMC leaders, such comments as yours are only giving the impression of your own absence of self-respect. It seems that not only I but all other readers of this string think this way.
Actually, this string was started to discuss some technical details. So, it can continue this way.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
Mike, while I was laying in the hospital bed in 1972 I completed a design to simulate the human muscle system. At the time I did not have a means to power the unit or my left arm would have been replaced before it had a chance to recover which took 9 years.


Hand to hand combat, can be programmed, as well as visual identification of contact points as high speed. If you had seen or been around any of the real-time programs I have written in the past you would not question that kind of programming. I do not use C++ I always write in assembly code.

In 1985 with a 5.0 MHZ 8085 I achieved 38K data transfer in 16 protocols. Our product was the only product on the market to do this for 3 years! The next product used a faster processor. When my ex-partner asked a programmer to modify my code, the programmer said "That is snake code, I don't want to touch it!" My partner pleaded with me to come and make the one change. It took me 15 minutes to edit, compile and install the change. I was on my way to California for Christmas.

I only know one Mike who used to work where I'm working now, I know he had a problem there because of his "smart mouth"
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
16 Apr 2005
The 8085 device had two RS232 ports and a printer port. My scheme allowed all these ports to run at maximum rate simultaneously.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
17 Apr 2005
Mike, let me give you unsolicited advice.
If you are really dealing with Wayne Pickette in any kind of job places, you better collect all documents with his signatures and his name (meaning make copies of them). If this country (and the world) stops its suicidal schizophrenia and let him proceed with his invention, your Memories with copies of these real documents might bring you a fortune in the future.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
17 Apr 2005
Wayne, you're providing many snippets of tantalizing information, but you need to sit down and document each one--time, place, where you were working, names of coworkers, bosses, etc. Then you need to find independent sources (people, documents, newspaper articles) that will corroborate what you are saying. For instance, the November 1971 introduction of the 4004 is critical. Can you find any independent corroboration that you were there?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
17 Apr 2005
LaLay,
Have you read Phil Stinards article? Two sources Mr. Paul Metrovitch who actually witnessed the incident and Steve Bisset a former Design Engineer regaled my introduction. Luckily I did not get any traffic tickets, but on the way my vehicle was stopped twice by the highway patrol to make me sleep. Also while returning the Highway Patrol recovered three young Mexican ladies personal belonging from two ruffians in a truck that I aided them in identifying and locating.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
17 Apr 2005
La Ley, your comment seems to be not hostile, however, the story of Wayne Pickette's achievements in many of their details has been discussed a number of times already on this web (not mentioning in Internet and many hard copies sources in the world). So, if you are interested in details, organize for yourself the search over this web at first, and then, if you still have such desire, over the entire Internet.
I think that Wayne Pickette simply has no time to explain to everybody everything from the beginning all over again, don't you also think so? So, if you are interested personally, make a search. If you want to give advises, then, I think, he and his wife have done much more already than any new person in this issue can advice. It is only natural, as they have been working with these issues for substantial while by now, don't you think so too? Time is a very valuable asset, especially for inventors, he can't waste it answering all over again and again the same questions, don't you also think so?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
17 Apr 2005
Wayne, I'm just saying that I'm not completely satisfied. Extraordinary claims (in the absense of mainstream historical records) require extraordinary proof. I've read the Stinard article, and that's a start. I've also read the timelines and biographical information on the internet, but that's not as well-documented. Bisset places you at Intel, but he doesn't say that you showed a microprocessor design to Noyce, because he wasn't there yet when that happened. I'd like to know what other readers think. If anyone else is reading this thread besides Wayne, Beholder, and me, speak up.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
17 Apr 2005
Dr. Noyce unfortunately is dead. My ex-boss Dr. Ted Hoff, whom my Wife met in 2002, when he invited us to see his new home under construction in the Los Altos Hills unfortunately wants to hog all the glory. He got very red when Anna told him he would toss the baby out with the bath water.
My SS record shows I was hired into INTEL in January 1970. The documentation that the Busicom Calculator project changed in February 1970!
My drawing is to be under examination scientifically to fix the date in 1967, I should turn it over to them April 29.

I also have articles written by former Teachers that corroborate my circuit creation. And the fact I was at least two Teacher's most memorable student.

I also have original development drawings that never were in great publication.

I also have my 1973 IEEE card showing INTEL Corporation, 3065 Bowers Ave. Santa Clara, California, 95051. My title is Application Engineer.

Phil Stinard reviewed all this material prior to writing his article.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
18 Apr 2005
ML, you are way off on the military death benefit, know as the SGLI. I joined the Marine Corps in 1999 and the SGLI was 250,000 then, from that time it has never been 20,000. When speaking about the military please have you facts straight.
Note: When Dealing with the Military
Current rating: 0
18 Apr 2005
When dealing with anything in the US military, it's best to get all the facts in writing, particularly from recruiters and those trying to get you to uncritically accept the idea of the military as a career.

I was speaking of the minimum death benefit, not something you have the option of buying for extra cash out of your paycheck. Here's a story below that is a bit more specific, although it is from earlier in the year, before the death benefit increase was passed.

Guess what? The previous death benefit was even punier than I remembered. It also appears that the minimum death benefit was only raised to $100,000 and you'll still be paying extra if you want the extra $150,000 to take it up to $250,000 in this version. I am uncertain if this was the final version passed, however, or if they decided to just go with a straight death benefit increase to the $250,000 level that I remembered.

Anyway, Gunner, I recommend you Google around and get all the facts if you are actually in the service, unlike several recent trolls who claim they are, but clearly aren't, as was cited above.

$250,000 military death benefit proposed
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — President Bush will propose a dramatic increase to $250,000 in government payments to families of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and in future combat zones.

The plan to increase the tax-free "death gratuity," now $12,420, to $100,000 and provide an extra $150,000 in life insurance payouts will be part the 2006 budget proposal submitted to Congress next week, the Pentagon's personnel chief said in an Associated Press interview. Veterans groups and many in Congress have been pushing for such increases.

"We think the nation ought to make a larger one-time payment, quite apart from insurance, should you be killed in a combat area of operations," David Chu, the undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, said in the interview in his Pentagon office.

"We can never in any program give someone back their loved one," he added. "There is nothing we can do about the hurt, to make it go away. But we can make your circumstances reasonable, in terms of finances."

Chu is to unveil the administration's full proposal in congressional testimony Tuesday.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., who is sponsoring a bill with the same provisions, said in an interview that the first-year budget cost of the increased benefits would be $459 million, including more than $280 million in retroactive payments of the higher gratuity and the extra life insurance settlements.

"The American people want to be generous to the families of service people who give their lives for their country. It's not a nickel-and-dime issue," he said.

In addition to the higher gratuity, the Pentagon would substantially increase life insurance benefits, Chu said. The current $250,000 coverage offered to all service members at a subsidized rate under the Servicemen's Group Life Insurance program would be raised to $400,000, and for troops in a combat zone the government would pay the premiums on the extra $150,000 coverage.

Even in the case of a service member who did not participate in the basic life insurance program, the surviving spouse would receive a $150,000 settlement if the death happened in a designated combat zone, since the Pentagon is proposing to pay the premiums on that amount of coverage for everyone in a war zone. The spouse or other surviving family member also would get the $100,000 gratuity.

Chu said that the extra $150,000 in life insurance and the higher death gratuity would be retroactive to Oct. 7, 2001, the date the United States launched its invasion of Afghanistan in response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Some bills in Congress would make the higher gratuity retroactive but not the extra life insurance.

Under the administration's proposal, the 53 military members who were killed in the Sept. 11 attack on the Pentagon would not get the higher gratuity, a spokeswoman said.

As of today, 1,415 Americans had died in the Iraq war, according to the Pentagon's count, and 156 had died in Afghanistan and other locations deemed part of the war on terrorism.

The death gratuity is a one-time payment intended to be given to the family immediately after a service member's death; it is separate from an array of other survivor benefits such as housing aid.

The $100,000 would apply only in cases where the service member died in a war zone as designated by the secretary of defense. Thus a soldier killed in a training accident in the United States would get the current $12,420, Chu said. Some in Congress have proposed paying an increased gratuity for all deaths.

In the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, defense officials decided that the current death payment for troops killed in battle was too little, particularly in light of settlements paid to Sept. 11 families. The government paid an average $2.1 million to the families of those killed in those attacks.

In 2003 the military gratuity was doubled, from $6,000, where it had stood since 1991, to $12,000, with subsequent increases to account for inflation, bringing it to $12,420 on Jan. 1, 2005. The 2003 legislation also made the payment fully tax-free. Before that, half was taxable.

Lawmakers in both the House and Senate have introduced bills to raise both the gratuity and the life insurance coverage, reflecting a broader trend of more generous military benefit programs, including financial benefits for military retirees, their survivors and families of those killed in battle.

These changes are adding billions to defense budgets and raising questions about whether increasingly costly entitlements are forcing the Pentagon to forgo some investments in weapons programs.

Chu said he was concerned that in recent years Congress had gone too far in expanding military retiree benefits, but he said the proposed increase in survivor benefits was well justified.

Bigger military benefits that apply mainly to retirees and their families are making it harder for the Pentagon to afford financial incentives targeted at maintaining today's military, Chu said.

"They are starting to crowd out two things: first, our ability to reward the person who is bearing the burden right now in Iraq or Afghanistan," Chu said. "(Second), we are undercutting our ability to finance the new gear that is going to make that military person successful five, ten, 15 years from now."

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This article is: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3017644
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I was in the Marine Corps ML. SGLI pays 250,000 to the family of the dead service member, it did when I joined and does today. I think you may be misunderstanding the articles. On top of the SGLI you get a "death benefit" for burial cost. Do I think they should get more, of course. Please do not cast doubts on my service. Serving in the Marine Corps is something I am very proud of, do not diminish my service.
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Anyone familiar with the claims of Artificial Intelligence research knows that the hype that surrounded it in the 1960's has faded as it has failed to produce anything even remotely resembling intelligence.

Which is not to say that it won't in the future, but it behooves anyone who treats it as inevitable to indicate exactly which area of current research is likely to produce what results.

"Machine learning," which is what most AI research is called now, has produced modest results, mostly in the area of data analysis. Natural language understanding research remains stalled at about the same level of development as approximately 20 to 25 years ago.

DARPA's grand challenge competition to produce a vehicle that can drive itself through unfamiliar terrain has attracted the best robotics researchers in the US, but so far no vehicle has crossed the finish line. With current techniques, a vehicle can probably be engineered that can complete the course, but it will be no more "intelligent" than a chess-playing computer is, since it won't be any more able to decide to do something other than racing to the finish line than a chess-playing computer is able to decide to do something other than playing chess.

At the same time that AI research has stalled, psychological research into the nature of intelligence has progressed, and at least one strand of that research suggests that intelligence is inextricably linked with emotion--something plenty of machine learning reseachers have studied, with pretty much no significant results.
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I never intended my robots to have a conscious or emotions. Simply follow logical procedures. Almost everything from building a house to driving a car can be laid down in step by step rules which may be modified by logical inputs. Therefore it is possible to program a robot to interact without programming unknown factors such as emotions or a conscious.

Ps. I had a minor of Psychology.

Wayne Pickette
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computer scientist, where did you get your information. I happened to work with artificial intelligence a lot since I had been fifteen years old. I used to do it in former Soviet union, where(it is no secret) the achievements in Artificial Intelligence were for a long while of time much ahead of American. I, personally, watched the creation of the very successful chess program Kaissa. I was myself participating in the creation of tip-top-toe program for "five in a row". It was also unbeatable by humans as the result. Different translating programs, including translation from the language of ancient Mayas were very close to perfect, etc., etc..
If there is not much development in the artificial intelligence area right now in connection with robots, it is simply because current mechanical and electronical shapes of any AVAILABLE robot and even robot in project requires MUCH LESS ACHIEVEMENTS of artificial Intelligence than it has already accumulated by now. As simple as that , and nothing more!
By the way, the introduction of emotion into artificial intelligence might make robots also suicidal as , unfortunately, many people's and even countries' attitudes already are. It is certainly not a good or at the very least premature idea to implement emotions into artificial intelligence. Read the play of Czechoslovakian writer Carel Capek RUR (Ruhr Universal Robots)
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> Almost everything from building a house to driving a car can be laid down in step by step rules which may be modified by logical inputs.

That is a concise summary of the 1960's approach to AI which for the past 40 years has failed to produce house-building, car-driving robots. Machine learning techniques now focus on statistical, rather than heuristic approaches, and attempts to model real-world problems with first-order logic have dead-ended in expert systems, which have not proven themselves useful as a basis for autonomous systems.

The vanguard of robotics research is represented by people like Rodney Brooks, who completely reject the centralized model of cognition in favor of emergent behavior from complex networks of unintelligent, but competent subsystems. Which is not to say that that line of research has produced car-driving or house-building robots either.

You appear to be relatively unfamiliar with the state of the art of robotics and AI research, since you are proposing doing research using techniques that have been proven not to work, decades ago. If you want funding and other support, you need to demonstrate that you are familiar with current research and have an approach that differs from what has already been done. And you need to be specific. Vague claims, backed only by your self-confidence, will not suffice.
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The mentioned name of Carel Capek activated my attention. He was a writer with prophetic premonition, and died in 1939 when Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia.
He has another play -White Decease, where crowd was killing during the terminal unstoppable epidemic the only person - physician Dr. Galen, who has remedy from this pandemic. The main problem with next steps in robotics development is adequate power supplies, not artificial intelligence, and that is what Wayne Pickette is proposing, what he, if I understood correctly, is practically accomplished. It is also giving the immediate remedies for our urgent environmental problems. Don't you think, computer scientist, that under the circumstances, it is much wiser to give him some very little funding to finish, to implement and disseminate his revolutionary engine then require him first to pass all kind of exams in ALL areas where he is going or was ever going to make research and development?
Besides, sometimes the precise knowledge of EVERYTHING, what has been done in the area, make brains of poor scholars completely incapable to introduce something new, fresh, and, with sufficient probability, much, much better working than everything before. Einstein used to say on the subject that an inventor, like a child, because all other people know that something CAN'T BE DONE, and he/she doesn't , and that is why comes up with the revolutionary discovery.
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> Besides, sometimes the precise knowledge of EVERYTHING, what has been done in the area, make brains of poor scholars completely incapable to introduce something new, fresh, and, with sufficient probability, much, much better working than everything before. Einstein used to say on the subject that an inventor, like a child, because all other people know that something CAN'T BE DONE, and he/she doesn't , and that is why comes up with the revolutionary discovery.

No scientist I think would claim that a self-driving car, for instance, can't be built. Rather, the consensus is that it can't be built using current techniques, or last year's techniques, or four-decades-old techniques. That's the point of knowing the state of the art--so you don't repeat experiments that have been done before. Sometimes science fails to test a technique thoroughly enough and moves on too fast, but you don't have to be a childlike genius to know that--if you review the literature carefully enough, you can spot the unexplored areas or methodological flaws and figure out how to move forward. "Outside the box" creativity is critical to invention and science, but not to the exclusion of the methodical, *collective* accumulation of knowledge and experience.

In particular, one should always be skeptical of researchers who make claims that they can solve a problem before they've produced any results. This is how legions of snake-oil salesmen bilk unsuspecting investors out of millions of dollars. The "free energy" crowd has been doing this for at least 150 years. They typically claim to have invented a revolutionary machine that can produce more power than it consumes and collect seed money from gullible investors, and then delay demonstrations of their technology indefinitely. Not surprisingly, no successful demonstration of such a device has ever taken place, because of simple physical laws all investors should be aware of, like the second law of thermodynamics.

Thanks to Phil Stinard for providing background on Brooks. He is among the most succesful robotics researchers in the world, and he also is relentlessly self-promoting and clearly has ethical issues.
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Computer Scientist!
Have you sir or madam forgotten that I'm 55 years old today.

In my head is more than 37 years of working in electronics, programming, operating systems, communications, mother boards and analysis of more than 50 electronics & programming projects.

About 80% of these projects contributed something to my Robot design. I have reviewed current and past AI write ups. I understand them, I don't agree with them.

My Robot design contains three sub levels of code and two operative levels of code.
My Robot Brain has 256 nodes of multi-stream/multi-task multi-operative task capability.

I understood and defined most of the processors that have been designed over the last 20 years, years before they were made.

I've designed mechanics and electronics in more that 30 devices and, written programs in Data communications, visual object location, detection and following, Data storage, and many others in the printing, data handling areas and web design.

I've built working mechanics that almost always worked the first time, the same with electronics. I've debugged and fixed other's electronics and programs.

I know scripting, html, assembly, ASP, ADA, FORTRAN, I UNDERSTAND COBOL, don't like it.

Actually, writing a dis-assembler for the 4004 in TECO in 1972 gave me an interesting perspective about interpretation and data parsing. I've progressed from that point.

Now sir do you dare to question that I may know how to build a robot?
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> I have reviewed current and past AI write ups. I understand them, I don't agree with them.

Now would be a good time for you to say something that *demonstrates* that you understand AI research.

> My Robot design contains three sub levels of code and two operative levels of code.

That tells me exactly nothing about what distinguishes it from existing research. It's not important if it has 256 levels or 1024 levels of whatever, it's the algorithms that matter. But you know that, right?

> I understood and defined most of the processors that have been designed over the last 20 years, years before they were made.

That would make you the world's foremost expert on microprocessor design. An extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary proof. I understand an accept that you were intimately involved in some of the earliest work on microprocessors, but that does not in any way substantiate your claim to have anticipated every major innovation in the last 20 years. These innovations are the work of many dedicated and talented people, who should be given credit for their work until you can specifically prove that you did the work first.

> I know scripting, html, assembly, ASP, ADA, FORTRAN, I UNDERSTAND COBOL, don't like it.

A poor resume for someone who claims to understand CS research, which is almost all conducted in modern languages like C/C++ and Java.

In short, I "dare" question you because every claim should be tested. That's the scientific method. Self-confidence, and credentials, are no substitute.
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That's where your stupidity is showing sir. What do you think I've been experimenting with for all these years. Just parts of the robot. I'm now ready to put it all together.

Why would I need JAVA to interpret a linear sensor? In my design I have no rotating components that have to be translated! I have a working model of the human muscle simulator. I have a design model of the robot eye simulated in APL and Fortran. I've written over 500,000 lines of code for interactive devices. What you are after is a sentiment being. I simply want to build something than can do work. It's the difference, see You haven't lived in my World.
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You know what , computer scientist, you dare too much, and I really hope that Wayne Pickette would stop to react on your provocation. I, in my turn, can tell you following:
1. I am really curious to know whether you would dare to ask a White person with Graduate Degree in pure physics and , practically proven authorship of microprocessor, if he KNOWS THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS. It is incredibly arrogant.
I understand, of course, that you are reliably protected by pen name instead of your real name, but I still somehow think that you'd not dare to ask such things if you know that Wayne is White;
2. Of course, you dare to ask ALL DETAILS, which Wayne Pickette, irritated by your intentional arrogance can provide to you. As the next step would be for you, I am sure of it, to hope on your own ability to work successfully in this direction, as being fully coached by irritated and annoyed and also sufficiently naiv inventor.
I need to disappoint you, as I'd try to do my best to prevent such dreams of yours of ANY possibility to happen;
3. In conclusion I want to say that Wayne Pickette has the genius practical and engineering mind. He, obviously, knows what he is talking about, and ready to stop talking and start creating just immediately after he get ANY financial possibility to do it (ANY he finally can get WITHOUT ANY subsistence, it would be just much slower).
You, on the other hand, better accept my unsolicited advice to try to create ANYTHING on your own than to waste your energy and , sure, reputation (if someone can recognize you under your pen name), trying to rob Wayne Pickette , and then to be able to proceed on your own. It is senseless, by the way, you still don't have his head, even if you are able to rob him from his current developments' stage, and I promise to prevent it from happening, as I've mentioned above.
By the way, requiring so imprudently that Wayne Pickette SHOULD CONVINCE YOU, you somehow FORGOT to present ANY CONFIRMATION of ANYTHING, which can enable you to give him ANY grants. Nice forgetfulness, isn't it?
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To finish to disappoint you, computer scientist, I need to tell you that I-personally have comparatively fresh Brainbench certificate in C++, the very solid mathematical background and permanent desire to lend it to Wayne Pickette in the case of any necessity. Wayne is an engineer, a practical person, I don't think that such necessity is going to appear, but, believe you me, I can easily show you that your scientific level (problem oriented computer languages and mathematical methods of numerical calculation) is at the very best not even a bit better than mine.
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Microprocessor Engineering has yet to completely surpass the real model of the Model 90 370 machine, which I worked with in 1968 at IBM.

The geometry has approached 1/2 micron, therefore voltage and current requirements have been reduced. A lot of engineering has been put into multi-core technology (two or more chips in a package).

My robot brain is based on chip-bonded packaging. Actually my initial goal was to pack a KE-10 processor into a 48 pin package. That was what I considered to be the reasonable starting point for the robot brain.

By the way, a KA-10 was what was used to control 'Shakey", someone I knew.
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Geez, have you guys ever heard of peer review? Apparently not.

> 1. I am really curious to know whether you would dare to ask a White person with Graduate Degree in pure physics and , practically proven authorship of microprocessor, if he KNOWS THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS.

If you re-read my post, you'll see that what I actually said was that gullible investors in free energy schemes don't know the 2nd law. I guess "investors" and "inventors" are similar words.

The charge of racism is a red herring. Let me give you an example. Stephen Wolfram claims to have revolutionized virtually every scientific field with his work on cellular automata. His credentials are impeccable; he is clearly a mathematical genius. But his claim is complete crap and his book "A New Kind of Science" is a joke. Who would dare question this white man? Virtually the entire scientific establishment.

> 2. Of course, you dare to ask ALL DETAILS, which Wayne Pickette, irritated by your intentional arrogance can provide to you. As the next step would be for you, I am sure of it, to hope on your own ability to work successfully in this direction, as being fully coached by irritated and annoyed and also sufficiently naiv inventor.

This is the oldest trick in the book. We won't give you any details, because if we do you'll steal our work. It's a convenient way of avoiding having to prove any claims.

I never asked for "ALL DETAILS"--I just want something specific enough to distinguish this research from existing research.

> believe you me, I can easily show you that your scientific level (problem oriented computer languages and mathematical methods of numerical calculation) is at the very best not even a bit better than mine.

Grandstanding is no substitute for analysis of specific claims.

> Microprocessor Engineering has yet to completely surpass the real model of the Model 90 370 machine, which I worked with in 1968 at IBM. The geometry has approached 1/2 micron, therefore voltage and current requirements have been reduced. A lot of engineering has been put into multi-core technology (two or more chips in a package).

That doesn't substantiate your claim to have anticipated every major innovation in microprocessor design in the last twenty years. Would you claim, for instance, that the inventor of the LED should get credit for the development of the bright blue LED, simply because that extremely refined technology, developed through years of experimentation, was also an LED?

Look, I'm not saying Wayne isn't a good engineer--I'm just "daring" to ask him to support his claims with something other than bluster. It's what any scientist would do.
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They haven't done anything that has not been tried before in mainframes, yet. Why is it not so easy? Tighter geometry, duality, increased bit width and interim cooling is about all they can do! There hasn't been a new economical process since NMOS.
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Look, computer scientist, I happened to have pretty traditional scientific career. Everything what I have done (not a lot , but quite a few reasonable and useful things), I have done just the traditional way:
1. I have read everything what was done in the area;
2. Accumulate what form my previous experience was possible to apply to the problem;
3. Use slightly my own imagination, not neglecting in the process all scientific technique, applicable in the case, and known by me, and came up with some new results.

Wayne's way of thinking seems to be different. Besides, he, sure, has completely different than I (and you, probably, also) work experience.

What exactly do you want to accomplish, asking your numerous questions, and NOT SHOWING ANY AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE HIM WITH ANY GRANTS?

He needs right now a small grant to finish and disseminate his heat engine. It seems to be the very important discovery, and extremely important under the current circumstances. He doesn't have, of course, 100% guarantee that it would work the way he expect it to, not worse, and even not better.

He is practically proven (couple little formal steps are left) pioneer of microprocessors.

Doesn't this society behave fully idiotic and fully suicidal refusing to give him this small grant or put him otherwise under reasonable circumstances, giving him some money to finish nod to disseminate his work?

The obvious answer is 'Yes'! The society is behaving FULLY IDIOTIC AND FULLY SUICIDAL IN THIS CASE !!!

You don't show ANY FEATURES OF ANY authority to give grants. Instead you are trying to examine him in all areas around, keeping your computer science background like a banner above your head.

Wayne ISN'T ASKING NOW FOR SMALL GRANT FOR ROBOTIC RESEARCH AND/OR DEVELOPMENT. His prime objective is the one, which I have described above.

His heat engine is HIS PRIME OBJECTIVE.

The question is WHAT IS YOUR PRIME OBJECTIVE, AH ???
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The heat engine, requires much less fuel & power because:
1. It losses no heat in the transfer of energy, it is constructed of energy inert material.
2. The engine is practically frictionless.
3. The light weight to power factor decreases the amount of fuel required to move the vehicle.

The lighter vehicles would be entirely electrically driven, no mechanical heat engine connection to the wheels.

The heat engine drives a flywheel energy storage device which also is a dynamo which generates electricity using traveling magnets. In this fashion energy may recovered whereas in a regular car the energy is wasted. The entire car could be used as a black-body collector. A 1/3 meter lens focuses light on a small black body, which collects heat for the heat engine. This black body can elevate to any temperature within it's physical stability region, the heat engine will adjust it's response to the temperature of the heat supplying device.

As the heat engine is a positive displacement system with a ratio of about .9 BTU efficiency within it's range of operation. As energy translates to temperature which translates directly to pressure. Pressure provides work, the energy is then allowed to dissipate through a heat exchanger setup.

To explain any further would disclose my organization and methods. I cannot do that to someone I do not know.
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Wayne, you didn't answer my question about what the total energy input and output is for the bag-of-charcoal scenario, so I'm going to assume you agree with my estimates.

> The heat engine drives a flywheel energy storage device which also is a dynamo which generates electricity using traveling magnets. In this fashion energy may recovered whereas in a regular car the energy is wasted.

You're describing an alternator.

> This black body can elevate to any temperature within it's physical stability region

No, it can only heat up proportional to the energy of the sunlight that is focused on it. A lens cannot collect more sunlight than falls on it. The size of your lens determines the maximum amount of solar energy that you can get from it. A 1/3 meter diameter circular lens is about half a square meter and so can only collect about 637 Btu's/hr, which cuts the contribution of the solar energy in my estimate to about 3,000 Btu's or around 3% of the energy input, increasing your efficiency claim to about 112%.
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An alternator does not serve as an energy storage device, it is an energy translation device. I'm using permanent magnets on the flywheel. My design allows activation of the fields to restore energy to the flywheel when braking or slowing from a higher speed. This recovered energy is then available to be used in the next acceleration. The Heat Engine provides an almost direct conversion of the BTU into pressure/work. The black body is also an energy storage device, eg. If you place sunlight on it and the heat has nowhere to go it will heat to a maximum temperature for sunlight input. As it is well insulated on 4 of it's six sides eg, sunlight input and a small amount of re-radiation on the one side, and the heat engine which is the load on the other side. Depending on the mass of the black body, the amount of heat retained should be well above 80%, provided of course the temperature does not get high enough for the material to become unstable. So there are two types of buffers in the system.

In my comment I meant a 25 lb bag of charcoal, completely utilized in the round trip.

What exactly are your objectives and authorities? Why are you trying to force me to disclose things to you. I know nothing about you, your objectives or goals. What can you do for me in other words.
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Amazing , computer scientist, you are continuing to ask questions, but are not giving ANY answers about your authorities and objectives. You behave like requirements to become suicidal are already mandatory in this country. Let me remind you that Wayne Pickette had already brought his revolutionary circuit schematic of microprocessor to first Fair Child then Intel, overcome the resistance, and then had been rewarded by the heavy car accident, which he had survived miraculously. This time he would be either given the possibility to develop and implement his invention UNDER HIS OWN NAME, or let the world (starting with this country) self destroy itself through utilization of nuclear power plants or whichever. Human sacrifices are barbarian customs and the savagery. Human sacrifices of exceptional human beings of behalf of different idiots at political power or on the decisive positions in scientific communities (also at political power) are not less but even bigger stupidity and savagery, though they are utilized widely even by now.
It means, pertinent to our dialog, that either you disclose your identity and show to what degree and how exactly you might be helpful to Wayne Pickette or your further questions would be fully ignored.
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As usually everything is aimed and stacked in money problems. Wayne Pickette is obligated currently to work almost 16-18 hours a day, almost always 7 days a week to make the basic living and to accumulate a bit of money for his invention's development.
IMC is non profit organization, but it advertised the rising of funds to free unfairly incarcerated members back in September of 2004 (after RNC protests), and later when INDY media servers were shut down.
I am sure that the author of this article, Phil Stinard, can write the proper article about Wayne Pickette's achievements and his current disparate situation to accompany IMC requests to accumulate through paypal some money on the behalf of his invention's final stage and dissemination. I can, of course, place here a number of postings with details of what numerous failures of power plants (Chernobyl was the greatest) have brought to the surrounding and to the entire planet, but I don't think that it is necessary. The situation is crystal clear even without any further information.
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A 25-bag pound of charcoal briquettes contains about 225k Btu's of energy.

If the solar collector is only 80% efficient the solar contribution drops to 2400 Btu's or 1%.

Adjusting for this new input estimate, the efficiency claim is 50% or the equivalent of 115 MPG.

So far using my estimates I can't come anywhere close to Wayne's claim that the solar contribution would be 60%. Something is screwy here. Either Wayne is claiming that he can get more energy from sunlight than it contains, or he's way off in his estimate of how much energy is in sunlight.

Basically, Wayne is proposing an electric car driven by a special, highly-efficient generator powered by ordinary hydrocarbon fuel. The solar contribution is insignificant, not over 50% of the energy input as Wayne claims.

Wayne's efficiency claim is about 50% or 115 MPG. For comparison purposes, Peugot is currently developing a hybrid diesel-electric passenger car which they claim will achieve 95 MPG, and could run on biodiesel:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004/07/citron_c4_diese.html

Some Honda Insight drivers report MPG's in the high 80's:
http://www.insightman.com/summer/NC_Insights_08-12-00.htm

So unless someone can point out a flaw in my estimates, Wayne is not proposing a world-saving energy technology, but rather an innovative design that would provide only a modest, incremental efficiency improvement over existing technologies, many of which are in the early stages of development.

Globally, we cannot continue to increase the person-miles travelled per unit time and conserve energy, no matter how efficient our engines are. We have to travel less.

To answer the question about motives, I am someone who is personally very, very concerned about the energy economy, and I want to discuss all technologies that might help. That means testing assumptions, experimenting, and exchanging ideas in an atmosphere of mutual respect, honesty, and healthy skepticism. We should not be afraid to ask tough questions. I do not want to steal Wayne's ideas--if I were, I certainly wouldn't be trying to get him to post them on an open message board!
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No , computer scientist, he is not proposing any electric car. He is proposing to use for his heat engine very well known procedure, which I and he doesn't want to name here, no matter how persistently you are trying to provoke him. Your problem that you have no imagination to get with the idea to use this procedure in the application to the discussed engine's problem. That is why Wayne is the engineering genius and you are the regular person, no matter how intensive your background in anything is. So, your conclusion and calculations are FULLY wrong, as you have no imagination to understand what Wayne Pickette is talking about. And you wouldn't be able to do it, unless you'd answer ALL his and mine questions, which we have already mentioned in our comments, and would provide to him all legal guarantees IN WRITING with all legally required notarizations that everything, which he'd disclose to you would be HIS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, not yours or anybody's else.
So, relax and stop posting stupid comments here. You are not obligated as computer specialist to understand and to know efficiency coefficients of different engines. Your persistence in this area, which is not area of your competence (at least , according to your official pretensions), is, though, perfectly answering my question about your objective. Your objective is to discredit Wayne and/or to steal his ideas. Sorry, it wouldn't work, no matter how much more illiteracy and/or arrogant pretensions in the area (s) you are going to demonstrate.
So, either the signed legal disclosure agreement with your real name and your existent or non existent authorities, or no more disclosures. Simple and clear!
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I think most of us have been holding our tongues while Anna Epelbaum has made a continuing and obvious reappearance here as "beholder". Mostly, I think, this was because she had not yet returned to her previous practice of posting insulting comments, such as "So, relax and stop posting stupid comments here...", that got her banned here previously.

But now that she has begun down this road again, I for one think that there needs to be a closer look taken at this if she continues in this unreasonable and unseemly display of hostility to other users. She has been given the opportunity to have her posting privileges at UC IMC reinstated, if she agreed to follow the website use policies. So far, I have not heard that she has taken any action on this, except to indicate like she hasdone here that she has no intention of observing some basic courtesies as required by the website use policies. If that is indeed the case, then the editors should again enforce the ban as they feel appropriate, instead of letting her off the hook.
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23 Apr 2005
Dear Dose of Reality, yes, I am Anna V. Epelbaum, and you are Danielle Chynoveth, who created for me and Wayne the impossible situation at the first place. Maybe, now instead of doing it all over again you'd better organize the disclosure agreement , if you have doubts about Wayne's achievements, then the cat fight or whichever you prefer to call what you started with me more than one year ago.
Wayne needs the financial help. The country is badly in need of what he is able (I am almost 100% sure of it) to produce. So, maybe you'd find better time and better place and better (and younger) student than me to teach your courtesy lessons. I was trying not to participate at all. But you still didn't give Wayne ANY financial promotion, and that is what badly needed and needs to be done, and you (meaning IMC) are able to do it. The attempts to squeeze everything from him on the open board are not going to be successful, no matter what kind of reasons and/or feelings are the inspirations for these attempts.
Sorry, You're Wrong
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23 Apr 2005
Anna,
No, I am not Danielle. Once again, you're swatting at delusions and dragging people's name through the mud based on nothing except your own paranoia.

As for the IMC, as a member, I feel we owe you nothing other than what we provide everyone else, which are the resources to speak for yourself. If you want a hand, look at the ends of your arms. Until you use them for more than insulting and dragging down people doing good work, we don't even owe you that.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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23 Apr 2005
Dose of Reality, I know that you are Danielle Chynoveth exactly the same way as you know that I am Anna V. Epelbaum. I have been reading this web regularly, and to make conclusion from your numerous comments wasn't and isn't a difficult task. I don't want to start with you that cat fight all over again, or to discuss who owes or doesn't owe whom anything. I have read your comments as Dose of Reality and as Danielle Chynoveth, I don't think that you can be a teacher of a courtesy, but it is no concern of mine. Yes, my concern is the financing for Wayne, but it should be the concern of ANY normal person , and, especially, any organization, which claims and wants to be considered as a progressive one. If you don't want to organize the disclosure agreement, then it would be no more information about Wayne's current invention(s) posted., no matter who and how is going to post questions. If it means no attempts of financial help for Wayne from IMC, then it would be the failure if IMC, not mine, and, for sure, not Wayne's.
I don't think that our further exchange of comments on this board is going to be productive or even to have any slight sense, except of the renewal of that old senseless cat fight, as you are not going to admit even such obvious thing that you are Danielle Chynoveth. I know that you have the sufficient power in IMC to expel me from the board all over again, but if I were you, I wouldn't do it. I would better choose not to notice me, as I am trying not to notice you. But, again, I am not you, but you are still the person who is officially running the progressive media establishment. So, think of what I have written.
Paranoia, self-promotion, and now harrassment?
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23 Apr 2005
This conversation has degraded from one about robotics and ethics to one about paranoia and self-promotion. It started going downhill when beholder/Anna wrote: "Reading this web regularly and watching some successful fundraising organized by IMC, I am really surprised that there is still no fundraising initiated to help Wayne Pickette to work further on his heat engine and robot's applications." It was pointed out to beholder that the IMC doesn't engage in these kinds of activities (raising venture capital for inventors), yet she persists. In the meantime, a rather intelligent person going by the name computer scientist engages Wayne in an interesting debate about the feasibility of Wayne's heat engine. Wayne is given a chance to publicly demonstrate that he knows what he's talking about. Computer scientist places Wayne on the horns of a dilemma: Either the device violates the laws of physics, or it does not offer significant energy savings compared to technologies that are currently in the works. Beholder, however, views computer scientist's questions as a trick to get Wayne to reveal trade secrets about his heat engine and asks for legally binding nondisclosure documents. Dose of Reality reveals beholder's identity as Anna, which Anna readilty admits, to her credit. Anna claims that Dose of Reality is in reality Danielle Chynoweth, something that Dose of Reality denies (and which I also doubt).

Where do we go from here? I agree with Dose of Reality that regular readers of this site have been biting their tongues and looking the other way since Anna's postings, while annoying, weren't hostile. She has commented other threads with obtuse remarks and people have tended to ignore them. The question is, are Anna's accusations directed toward specific individuals with real names crossing the line and becoming harrassment? This is a question that needs to be revisited.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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23 Apr 2005
The questions, which are posted by computer scientist, are requiring in their precise answers the disclosure of main Wayne's ideas, and developments. This disclosure wouldn't be made without proper disclosure agreement, whether it means no IMC promotions or not. This was answered clearly and in full. It is not going to be changed NO MATTER WHAT. If IMC wants more disclosure, it should be the legal protection for Wayne before he would be able to do it.
I am sure that anyone who would analyze this thread of comments can notice the very abusive tone of Dose of Reality comments. I know that she is Danielle (among many other reasons) because it has become clear from her dialog with Sandra Athen in comments, which were placed after the article about Naomi's participation in the bill against scholarship for pot users. It was simply the brightest confirmation of her identity. There were a lot more, as well.
I placed my comments as a beholder in full accordance with my political principals and views.
If you intend to prohibit these postings as inappropriate, it would be interesting at first to submit some explanations why my views ARE NOT PROGRESSIVE and opposing are. Besides, the freedom of speech should allow to express ALL POINTS OF VIEW, at least, that is what is expected from the progressive media, according to its own definition and claims. My opinion about leaders of current so named liberal opposition is also from the same set. I fully believe that Bush is bragging everywhere about the presence of the opposition in the country because this opposition is lead by people who are working pro Bush and his intentions instead of doing the opposite, as they are expected to do and claimed to.
However, my main concern on this web was and is the promotion of my husband. If there is not going to be the disclosure agreement, then this promotions, as well as his discussions about his inventions, should be over on this web. Whether you are going to continue the previously flourishing witchhunt and to accuse me in hostility, having in the same threat such comments with all possible abusive words as Danielle (The Dose of Reality) allowed herself to place, and, therefore, being completely unfair, or not, it is sure fully up to you. If that is what you want to be and also want to waste your time, trying to find ANY basis for such extremely unfair treatment, then be that way. It is not going either to tell me anything new or to hurt me. That is all!
Anna
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23 Apr 2005
Anna,
OK, this forces my hand. I actually have been willing to overlook things posted by you under a different name as long as you didn't engage in the same behavior as before. Just so you know the position you put me in, here are a few facts:

* Dose of Reality is not Danielle. I know them both. You're just guessing and you're wrong. There was absolutely no reason to bring her name up here, or anyone else's, in the way that you have. It is simply unacceptable that you are making totally unfounded accusations against people again.

* It has already been mentioned several times that the IMC's charter prohibits us from raising funds for Wayne to build things. The only way we could get involved in this would be if Wayne -- or anyone else -- specfically could NOT benefit personally. So unless you have something in mind where the end product becomes free to use and in the public domain, we can NOT be involved in any such project.

* I have no idea where you acquired this mistaken sense of obligation on the part of the IMC to Wayne, but it is simply not warranted by the facts. If your "main concern on this web was and is the promotion of my husband..." then you really should consider alternatives. The IMC is NOT a place for commercial promotion of products of any kind nor is it a place meant to profit anyone, which is what I assume you mean when you speak of "promotion". No matter how well-deserved, this not the place for that.

* Likewise, we will NOT be able to put up a Paypal button to benefit Wayne. On the other hand, there is nothing that prevents you from putting up your own website with such a button, but that is up to you.

Please do not keep posting here, because I will be forced to hide it. I am going to leave what's up so far so that people will know what the situation is. If you want to be allowed to post here, then I have already communicated to you what you need to do to have your posting privileges restored, which is contact the Steering group about this at one of their meetings.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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23 Apr 2005
Computer Scientist! You completely misread what was said. I said that of output of sunlight, 60% is heat !
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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23 Apr 2005
ML, I saw by my own eyes the comment to the article Tell Naomi What To Do (newswire 3/14/05) where Sandra (probably Sandra Ahten, as it was her article) wrote, "Danielle, what to do?" and got answer with instructions from Dose of Reality. Now this comment is slightly changed, so it can't be presented as the proof of my Wife's statement. I am extremely unhappy that she is still trying to post anything on this web and opens herself for different lies and other kind of offenses. However, my solid opinion is:
You can hide her comments if you are required to, but you should not allow ANYONE to call her statements "obtuse", "paranoid", etc., especially considering who and under which circumstances are making this kind of accusations. I, however, perfectly understand the real controversy between the attitude of her postings and your web official policies. So, does she, though she is too emotional and too stubborn. However, I really hope that she would stop to hit the wall by her forehead, because I love her forehead and don't want it (forehead) to be hurt.
The story continues...
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23 Apr 2005
This is strange. It looks like Wayne (if it is Wayne), also insists that Dose of Reality is Danielle. So, what is the IMC's policy if Anna posts under other names (as she was doing until recently)?
It's a different Danielle.
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23 Apr 2005
Wayne/Anna,

Sandra was referring to a different Danielle in her article, NOT Danielle Chynoweth. Reread the article, take a deep breath, and just let it go.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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23 Apr 2005
Yes, La Ley, I am Wayne Douglas Pickette, and I am placing this comment as the previous one from my personal account with my personal password. I honestly wish Anna would stop exposing herself to different offenses, trying to post what she is posting here. But these Crazy Russians, they think that it is their destiny to save the world. At least the one I've married has something like that directly in her blood stream. I truly wish she doesn't.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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24 Apr 2005
Computer Scientist

That is where you are very wrong.
In July 1967 I read a book by Isaac Asimov, I Robot. I began to think how many computers and their functions would be required to operate the robot as defined in the Asimov book. Four months later with thew arrival of the Fairchild 74181 I conceive the micro-computer. I had the wherewithal=ll to keep my design simple to remain under the current limits of transistors allowed in a design, about 3000 transistors. My design came out to 2890 transistors. The 4004 was 2300 transistors.

After the so-called accident, I was laying in a hospital bed, with tongs in my skull, a broken neck and a non-functional left shoulder, arm and hand. I conceived how to simulate human muscle action. I completed the design after leaving the hospital. I could not find a way to extend power to the design at the time or I may have a mechanical arm now. My natural arm recovered before I discovered the power source.. The heat engine in 1989.

I began to bother Robert Noyce, about making solid state video devices in 1973, he responded by finding Reticon Corp. He gave me the original demo box of their 64 diode array. I still have it. Reticon sold their technology to the Japanese.


After I coupled the heat engine to the wearable oxygen concentrator, there was an attempt to steal the device from me. I managed to salvage everything just barely. A Medical Supplier gentleman named Emmanuel Wedgeworth in Chicago can verify all that. He approached me with the original Oxygen concentrator problem.

I know in 1994 six Companies began "A Holy Grail project" to attempt to bring the wearable oxygen concentrator to market, they have failed. They were notified by the people that attempted to steal my design.

There was a little problem of the $ 250,000.00 to utilize the UPO patent, therefore I had to mothball the design till 2003 when the patent fell off. UPO then supplied me with 5 lbs of the material and I pulled out the wearable concentrator and heat motor designs then I updated them.

I have more examples where a lone inventor outthinks teams of engineers and scientists.

Dr. Claude Shannon called me a Black Thomas Edison when he met me in 1967

Of course I would have preferred to be called a Modern Thomas Edison.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
> your conclusion and calculations are FULLY wrong

What, specifically, is wrong with my calcuations? Here, I'll make it multiple choice. "Wayne is a genius and you're not" is not one of the available choices, and frankly it's getting really tedious to hear that over and over again.

assumptions:
1. trip length: 210 miles
2. btu/gal of gas: 150,000
3. btu/lb of charcoal: 9,000
4. btu/hr/m^2 of sunlight: 1,275
5. speed (mph): 45
6. size of solar collector (m^2): 0.5
7. charcoal (lbs/bag): 25
8. solar efficiency: 80%
9. Honda Insight efficiency: 20%
10. Honda Insight mpg: 60

conclusions:
1. solar (btu/trip): 2,380
2. total btu/trip (heat engine): 227,975
3. Honda Insight btu/trip: 525,000
4. total btu required / trip (insight btu * insight efficiency): 105,000
5. efficiency claimed for heat engine (ratio of energy required and energy consumed): 46%
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
So, I've already decided, as it is mentioned above, computer scientist, whether I can answer you precisely where you are FULLY AND COMPLETELY wrong without risking to disclose too much of my invention's ideas and stage of development. But you and others are craven and are very unpleasantly hiding their real names, preferring to offend me and my Wife (mainly my Wife, as craven people are always preferring to torture people, who are not physically able to straiten them out) by pretty obviously cooked provocation.
If you and anybody else in this threat are provoked to do it all over and over again by the fact that I invented something really essential, and you and they didn't not, then, sorry, but I can't help it. If you are really interested in details of my invention, and in precise explanation why and where you are FULLY wrong, draft the disclosure agreement, we'd sign it, and I'd answer all your questions.
I think that I've made a mistake, placing my previous comment, but, at least I fully understand, as a result, psychologically why I am having such strange and mainly suicidal resistance, which reason is obviously named above in this current comment. So, the practical choice of the next step's behavior is clear, and this choice is yours!
This *Might* Make More Sense as a Conversation If
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25 Apr 2005
This really might make more sense as a conversation if computer scientist could carry on a conversation with Wayne himself, instead of half the time with Anna _pretending_ to be Wayne.
Please, Anna
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25 Apr 2005
Let Wayne answer for himself. He is much more concise and to the point than you are. When you post under his name, you make him appear as though he has a multiple personality disorder, which is not good for his cause.

Proof that you are Anna? Beholder (Anna) wrote: "So, your conclusion and calculations are FULLY wrong," "If this country (and the world) stops its suicidal schizophrenia and let him proceed with his invention...," "Doesn't this society behave fully idiotic and fully suicidal refusing to give him this small grant," "The society is behaving FULLY IDIOTIC AND FULLY SUICIDAL IN THIS CASE !!!," "You behave like requirements to become suicidal are already mandatory in this country," "So, either the signed legal disclosure agreement with your real name and your existent or non existent authorities, or no more disclosures," and "Maybe, now instead of doing it all over again you'd better organize the disclosure agreement." Wayne doesn't tell people that they are FULLY (in all caps) wrong, doesn't describe suicidal behavior, and doesn't ask people to sign disclosure agreements in any of his writings, but Anna does. Please stop the charade.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
My name is Wayne D. Pickette, phone number 217-359-3619 or 408-219-9895,
302 S. Second St. Champaign, IL 61820

I am willing to discuss in detail the Heat Engine, after a fully signed disclosure agreement, and revelation of actual names address, possible authorties and phone numbers. I refuse to disclose to a screen named person.
As long as you hide behind a pen name, I'll hide what I know.

Stop useing paranoid and multiple personalitiy insults when referring to my Wife, you also insult me.
.
Anna and Wayne,
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25 Apr 2005
Since I'm addressing both Anna and Wayne at various times under the name "Wayne D. Pickette," let me make it clear that I used the term "paranoid" to refer to Anna's comments that people are trying to trick Wayne into revealing his secrets. I used "multiple personality" to describe the way that Wayne appears when Anna posts comments under his name in a different style and in bad English. Clearly, I don't really believe that Wayne has a multiple personality disorder.

If Wayne doesn't want to say anything more unless someone signs a disclosure agreement with him, that's fine with me. I don't particular enjoy speaking to someone pretending to be someone else.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
Let me put it such way:
My Wife never ever would ask ANYTHING from the steering committee, because I and she fully agree that IMC treated her more than unfairly. Unfortunately, I am pretty naiv and often is too involved in my ideas, she is protecting me, as she has the better feeling of the reality, but she is doing it in full and complete accordance with what I want. Now a number of people here dared to accuse her and even use all kind of very abusive words, while never ever showing their real identities.
It is, by the way, the main reason why I am sure that in this softly speaking disagreement with IMC she is right and they are fully wrong.
About multiple personality disorder I can say only that mutual IMC suicidal attitude when the majority agrees to use all kind of means to prevent me from the finishing of the very needed invention demonstrates much higher level of mental and spiritual illness then the slight disagreement, which should always appear when two people are forced to write under the same name. IMC obliged us to write under a single name (no matter whose name), first when the refused to acknowledge my REAL existence, and then just after they were forced to acknowledge it, it was created the artificial and extremely bad smelling provocation against my Wife. Seems that the solid unity of IMC majority (or, maybe, solid suppression of the IMC majority's opinion) is still not sufficient to fight common sense and the healthy mentality. Doesn't it?
So, La Ley, computer scientist, Dose of Reality, until you are willing to act honestly , provide your names and other identifications, don't expect me EVER to make any risky disclosures (even outside of main parts of my inventions), much less to cooperate with you against my Wife. It is very unpleasant and unfair that you (three of you) are allowed to use all kind of derogatory words, but when my Wife or I is losing patience when provoked, editors and steering committee are always ready to penalize. Anyhow this becoming dull and leading nowhere, either full disclosure or this topic is closed.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
> don't expect me EVER to make any risky disclosures

Here's all you need to "disclose" in order to prove that I am "fully and completely wrong" in my estimate of how efficient you claim your invention is:

1. How much energy is contained in 25 pounds of charcoal briquettes and the sunlight that falls on a small passenger car during a 210-mile trip?

2. How much energy does it take to move a small passenger car 210 miles?

Answering those questions does not require that you reveal *anything* about your invention. You already "disclosed" that the car would make the trip using that energy input.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
If Anna wishes to continue posting on this site, she needs to abide by the terms set by the Steering Committee in accordance with IMC editorial policy. If she continues to post under Wayne's name with Wayne's permission and without identifying herself as Anna, I will recommend to the Steering Committee that Wayne's comments also be hidden until this practice ceases. I'm not a Steering Committe member, but I will make that recommendation. This circus has gone on long enough.

That said, the IMC hasn't "prevented you from the finishing of the very needed invention" or prevented you from doing anything else you want to. You've had the freedom to write about anything you want to, and you've thrown it all away by begging others to raise money for you and to publicize you and then berating them when they refuse. I'm addressing Anna with these comments, but if Wayne allows this to continue, as far as I'm concerned, you're both the same.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
My opinion is the same about circus, La Ley, as you and Dose of Reality (whoever she is), and many others were persistently abusing my Wife by terrible words not mentioning by provoking all kind of conspiracies, and have also the arrogance not to disclose your names, while doing it, I would recommend to Steering Committee to OBLIGATE YOU and some other at that matter to disclose your identities and to present my Wife with formal official apologies, or to be steered from this board. I am not the member of the Steering Committee, but I am sure that it is necessary to do urgently to make this web and communication on it healthier, as it is required by the word "progressive". By the way, La Ley, your English doesn't seem be even a bit above satisfactory, whether it is your native language or not. So, if I were you, I wouldn't critisize my Wife's English, but this is a propos. Your behavior and your dirty mouthing of any people, whether it is my Wife, me or whoever else, I am considering to be fully inacceptable. That is what I am asking the Steering Committee to consider. ML, do you read this?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
If the car is constructed with lightweight but strong materials the trip could be made using the heat engine on a summer day without any other fuel except sunlight.
OK, Here's What I'm Going to Do
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25 Apr 2005
I can only deal with what are known facts. Here's what I know...

Anna was temporarily prohibited from posting here due to repeated, egregious violations of the website use policy.

Anna has refused numerous opportunities to rectify this situation, but has chosen on her own to repeatedly violate what was originally intended to be a temporary restriction.

Anna has been admittedly posting here under multiple screen names, including that of Wayne's.

Her posts are fairly easy to distinguish from Wayne's. Any more such posts will be hidden as of now, as provided for in the Steering group decision.

While Wayne is not repsonsible for posts that Anna may make under his name, this also creates the possibility that I may make a mistake in any post allegedly attributed to him. Unfortunately, given the circumstances, we'll all have to live with the decision I make on any individual posts.

To prevent the possibility of confusion, Wayne may take the option -- if he chooses -- of setting up a new, distinct user account that only he has the password to, in order to completely avoid any confusion betwen his posts and the many fraudulently attributed posts made under his name. Otherwise, we'll have to depend on my best judgment of what constitutes Anna pretending to be him. I apologize in advance for this, but If a mistake is made, it will have to remain as it is, since I have no way to ascertain whether any complaints are genuine or not.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
> If the car is constructed with lightweight but strong materials the trip could be made using the heat engine on a summer day without any other fuel except sunlight.

PV cars have been able to do this for decades:
http://www.wsc.org.au/2005/history/
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
ML, I don't want to create another account. Anna is posting her thoughts I believe she is not malicious, as I have concluded from our fifteen years together, so I don't see what the big furor is about. I don't see where she is violating any rules now or ever. People should stop to tramp each others feelings. These numerous people, hiding under different pen names and having therefore opportunities to lie about their true identities, are producing more furor and wickedness on no basis at all. I haven't seen this amount of dust from her within our entire time together.
I can only be glad I don't have around any of these people under pen names.

As far as my Heat engine design, it is a totally different machine, than any other previous design. People will have to re-think the organization again.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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25 Apr 2005
I wouldn't want to drive a PV car in a high wind, and it could not instantly switch from sunlight to corn alcohol or combine the two without losing a single mph. The heat engine can do that!
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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26 Apr 2005
> I wouldn't want to drive a PV car in a high wind, and it could not instantly switch from sunlight to corn alcohol or combine the two without losing a single mph. The heat engine can do that!

So can existing technologies.

With current technologies, a hybrid ethanol-electric car could be built that charged its batteries not only from an alternator on the ethanol engine, and regenerative braking, but also from PV cells all over the sun-facing parts of the car.

Why would the heat engine be better? Presumably because it would be more efficient.

But how much more efficient do you claim that it is? I can't figure that out--you never provide estimates of the energy input and output.

If you don't make a specific, quantifiable claim about how much more efficient your engine is than existing technologies, it's impossible to determine whether we can expect it to outperform those technologies.

I'm getting tired of this conversation. Let me give one final example.

There's a vehicle technology that can get you to work and back (a journey of 15 miles each way) every day for a week, powered by just three Big Macs.

It's called a bicycle.

speed: 9.4 mph
calories/h: 74
trip: 210 miles
hrs/trip: 22.3
calories/trip: 1653
calories/big mac: 600
big macs/trip: 2.76
The Catch
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26 Apr 2005
Ah, but there is a catch to power generated from Big Macs. It's the same one involved in the ethanol scam, which is does the net energy generated by a Big Mac -- or ethanol -- exceed the the gross energy input needed to create a Big Mac -- or a gallon of ethanol?

I am a big supporter of the family farm. I've worked on the farms of relatives and am pretty familiar with the farm economy. And all the ethanol craze is in my opinion, along with the billions of tax dollars sent to politico-palm-greasing outfits like Archer-Daniels-Midland in Decatur, is a crop support program that is well-padded with subsidies to big coporations. I have never seen it documented that the energy production from ethanol exceeds the energy input, much of it from imported oil.

And there would seem to be some significant problems with net CO2 production in the ethanol issue, which worsens and accelerates global climate change, based on the fact that the planting, plowing, transportations, and fermentation are involved in the chain of production. They all add CO2 at nearly very step of the way, even before the ethanol produced is burned for energy and gives another big dose of CO2 to the atmosphere.

I say, give the crop subsidy, if needed, directly to farmers, and spend the savings on cutting out the slush fund to ADM, etc, on starting to retire some of George Bush's war debt.

And gee, how much energy does it take to make a Big Mac? That is a good question.
blind leading the blind
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26 Apr 2005
Wayne says:

"Anna is posting her thoughts I believe she is not malicious, as I have concluded from our fifteen years together, so I don't see what the big furor is about. I don't see where she is violating any rules now or ever. People should stop to tramp each others feelings. These numerous people, hiding under different pen names and having therefore opportunities to lie about their true identities, are producing more furor and wickedness on no basis at all."

Those people using different pen names aren't *banned* from the website because they can't follow the rules. Anna is banned for not following website policy.

Those people using different pen names haven't slandered people and become irrationally convinced that they *know* who anonymous posters are. Anna has asserted repeatedly that she *knows* who anonymous posters are. Utter b*llsh%t.

Anna broke the rules. Anna is paying the consequences. Anna is now breaking the rules again by posting under your name while banned. Why is Wayne allowed to help Anna break the rules? He's her accomplice. Wayne may care about her irrelevant rantings. I don't.

Neither Wayne nor Anna came to the steering meeting. Neither has attempted to remedy her slander or her incoherent and malicious rantings.

You don't get to do what you want whenever you want. If I came over to your house and pooped on your carpet, would you want me back?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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26 Apr 2005
I answered the question, I expect .9 BTU in/out efficiency earlier. The subject is closed. If my Wife can't comments I choose to stop also.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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26 Apr 2005
> And gee, how much energy does it take to make a Big Mac? That is a good question.

It's exactly the right question.

If we really want to cut transportation energy consumption, we need to not just increase the fuel-to-wheel efficiency of vehicles, but also what is called the "well-to-wheel" efficiency, which takes into account the energy consumed producing the fuel.

But even that's not enough. It's *total* transportation energy consumption we need to reduce, not just *per-capita* transportation energy consumption. Transportation efficiency has to outpace the growth in person-miles travelled per unit time, which itself is growing faster than population.

To reduce total transportation energy consumption, we need to use public transportation more, travel less, and/or reverse population growth. This in addition to improving the efficiency of personal and mass transit vehicles. Efficiency gains alone will merely slow the growth of total transportation energy consumption.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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26 Apr 2005
> I answered the question, I expect .9 BTU in/out efficiency earlier.

How do you account for the discrepancy between your number and my estimate (46%)? Do I have the energy input (227k btu's) wrong, or do I have the energy output (105k btu's) wrong?

And what possible legitimate reason could you have for not disclosing your input and output estimates?
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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26 Apr 2005
To prevent this comment from hiding as it would save a lot of efforts here, I need to emphasize that I wanted to say "my Wife can't comment", "s" appears as a typo. You, sure, have fun torturing her (without reasons usually) because her English is not native. This time you are not going to have this fun!
Besides, she disclosed honestly her identity in the response to the direct question. Dose Of Reality chose to lie or, in the best case, to harass and to offend instead If it is what the rules on this board are-Punishment for the honesty, and promotions for harassment, and recklessness, then it is not a good place for both of us to make postings. So, the subject is closed.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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26 Apr 2005
It seems to be lasting forever. The last time:
1. I am not answering any questions more about my inventions to the people, who have not disclosed their real identities and signed with me the disclosure agreement;
2. I am not posting anything on the board where my Wife is so deeply mistreated and prohibited to make her comments;
3. Neither I nor she is going to ask anything from Steering Committee, though if formal apologies from the people with the disclosed real names are submitted, they would be accepted and the incident (at least about my Wife mistreatment) would be forgotten.
That is it. Let us not waste any more each other time!
ML, you're needed!
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26 Apr 2005
A few observations: Anna is still posting as Wayne. Furthermore, she knows Wayne's verified password, as she went in and edited a comment that read something like this:

ML, I don't want to create another account. Anna is posting her thoughts I believe she is not malicious, so I don't see what the big furor is about. People should stop to tramp each others feelings.

into this:

ML, I don't want to create another account. Anna is posting her thoughts I believe she is not malicious, so I don't see what the big furor is about. People should stop to tramp each others feelings. These numerous people, hiding under different pen names and having therefore opportunities to lie about their true identities, are producing more furor and wickedness on no basis at all. I haven't seen this amount of dust from her within our entire time together.
I can only be glad I don't have around any of these people under pen names.

Clearly, Wayne is an accomplice, and it's becoming impossible to distinguish what Wayne wrote and what he didn't, especially if Anna is editing his comments after the fact. I think your decision to hide the comments that appear to be written by Anna is a good one, but you have your work cut out for you now.
It's Really Very Simple
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26 Apr 2005
To me, it looks to me like Wayne has promised not to post here anymore.
;>)

I know I can take Wayne at his word, so this decision by Wayne will make the burden easier, not more difficult.

Thus, Wayne's decision makes it possible for me to conclude that any future postings here under his name are simply Anna pretending to be Wayne. Since this is the case, in the future I will not need to distinguish between the fraudulent Wayne and the real one. I can assume that any posting under his name is by Anna and it will be hidden.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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29 Apr 2005
America, the World;

should listen to Wayne Pickette,

He has spent nearly 30 years thinking about the problems that plague the USA and almost every developing nation.


1: His Heat Engine could use pre-1919 prohibition corn-alcohol as well as the improved version.

2: The heat engine solar lens is less likely to be damaged by hail, or by rocks tossed by other vehicles, whereas Solar Cells would be damaged irreparably.

3: The energy path is more direct than with solar cells, therefore more efficient by nature. The type of generator Wayne is using generates a higher voltage than needed by the wheel motors, therefore stepping down the voltage creates more current which makes his version more powerful.

4: His design of a monorail uses a molecularly modified concrete to form the rail, it's very cheap per mile. The individual 6 to 8 passenger mono-car design is cute.

5: His re-organization for cities makes a lot of sense.

6: If he creates Cheatah, his new car design, I just might place one next to my motorcycle!


7: If he creates his company, 22ndCentury Products Inc., I just may un retire to work with him there.

Steve.
Pre-1919 prohibition Snake Oil
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01 May 2005
Steve, I'm glad that you've taken an interest in Wayne. Maybe you can finance him with your retirement savings so he stops annoying the rest of us with his ploys for money and attention.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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02 May 2005
La Ley

I fail to believe your arrogance.

Nobody will ever know whether Wayne's risks were pivotal or not.

Products have been killed for less, than some of the incidents that occurred.

We are enjoying the results of those risks, and have only a few person to thank, Wayne is among those.

I beat you to the punch, I sent Wayne what I could afford, he should have received it by now.

Steve
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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03 May 2005
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Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
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31 May 2005
Steve,

Many IMC's have the following statement on their "publish" page: "Validate email address with confirmation code (Strongly encouraged). If you do not validate, users will be encouraged to distrust your information." Let me assume that you are really Steve Bisset, and not someone imitating him, and that you did know Wayne Pickette back in the 1970's. Instead of being "arrogant," I'll make a few comments and ask a few questions that you should be able to answer. You can choose not to answer them.

(1) Could you tell me what utility Wayne's Heat Engine would have burning "pre-1919 prohibition corn-alcohol?"

(2) In order to focus the rays of the sun usefully, the sun would have to be directly above the solar lens, something that would never happen except in the tropics, and even then only at high noon on a sunny day. Solar cells don't have this requirement--they still produce at least SOME energy if the sunlight hits them at an angle, and on cloudy days. Of course, you could try to build a gyroscopic device so that the lens tracks the sun, or try to set up a system of movable mirrors. Good luck doing this while driving in city traffic and making many turns, without consuming more energy than the lens produces. And you're screwed after dark and on cloudy days.

(3) "The heat engine solar lens is less likely to be damaged by hail, or by rocks tossed by other vehicles, whereas Solar Cells would be damaged irreparably." What will the solar lens be made of? Impact-resistant plastic? Why can't solar cells also be protected by a layer of impact-resistant plastic?

(4) We have no way of knowing whether "the energy path is more direct than with solar cells, therefore more efficient by nature" because Wayne won't disclose the relevant details without a nondisclosure agreement. I'm not asking Wayne to disclose any secrets. I AM asking him not to make claims that he can't or is not willing to support. "Computer scientist" asked some questions about basic energy inputs and outputs that Wayne didn't answer. The questions were aimed at getting Wayne to explain the amount of efficiency and whether his device obeys the laws of thermodynamics, not how the efficiency is achieved or how the heat engine works.

(5) Please explain this: "The type of generator Wayne is using generates a higher voltage than needed by the wheel motors, therefore stepping down the voltage creates more current which makes his version more powerful." You're describing the use of a transformer. However, transformers don't increase power output. They can reduce output voltage and proportionally increase output current, but the power remains the same, except for losses due to transformer inefficiency. In other words, you are simply claiming that Wayne's engine is more powerful (and more efficient?) than a conventional engine. Is that true, or can you point out the flaw in my reasoning?

(6) "His design of a monorail uses a molecularly modified concrete to form the rail, it's very cheap per mile." What is "molecularly modified concrete," and how does it differ from conventional concrete? You don't have to say what it is composed of, but I'd like to know how it differs. Is it stronger, more flexible, etc.?

Listen, Steve, I'm glad that you're sending money to Wayne. If you are who you say you are, and if you are as interested in Wayne as you purport to be, it will be enough money for Wayne to complete his Heat Engine and demonstrate its utility to the world. Don't get me wrong--I'm not trying to persecute you or Wayne. I'm just trying to get you to explain some of your and Wayne's statements that seem unclear and lacking in support. Remember that I didn't start the conversation on heat engines and solar cars, Wayne did.
Re: They must not have read "I, Robot": The military's robotic killing machine.
Current rating: 0
25 Nov 2005
La Ley, I have been Wayne's Model Maker since 1987, I know a lot about how he thinks.

I'll answer your questions.

1. The heat engine is an external combustion device, it should use much less fuel because it captures more than 90% of the reaction heat to turn it into energy. There is no time limit for the burn reaction cycle to complete. Pre-1919 corn alcohol has no carbon pollutants, therefore it is clean burning. This fuel would be use as necessary to fill in energy needs when necessary. The device accumulates heat using the heat supply as it requires. This reduces fuel usage as virtually no heat is wasted.

2. In his third world power design efforts, Wayne came up with a linear solar tracking system based on his heat cells, under test, the device followed the sun through all twists and turns, we drove in a circle and a figure 8 to test the angle controls, the full sun acquisition during all that time was 94% The device works by sensing the intensity changes across the surface of the lens. This device would work in the city much better than solar cells.

3. The solar Lens is constructed of LEXAN, the same material used for protection widows in banks & exchanges, service stations etc.

4. The energy path is direct.

5. The Generator is an electronically controlled dynamo.

6. The concrete utilized advances by a company named Enviroseal, located in Florida. Since the mono-card are about autoimobilr size, the weigh much less than normal mono-rail cars. Wayne monorail is about seven feet above the ground. The concrete is plasticized. Which reduces the effect of impacts on the concrete, therefore extending it's service life.

Jim