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Brzezinski and the "Afghan Trap" Current rating: 0
25 Sep 2001
Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Carter, told a French journal in 1998 that the US began aiding Afghan rebels six months before the 1979 Soviet invasion - contrary to the "official version of history." He went on to gloat that one purpose of this was to draw the USSR into its own Vietnam. (We all know how that turned out.) A quote:
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
I happened across these sources in a web search today. It adds up to quite a story.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, told a French journal in 1998 that the US began aiding Afghan rebels six months before the 1979 Soviet invasion - contrary to the "official version of history." He went on to gloat that one purpose of this was to draw the USSR into its own Vietnam. (We all know how that turned out.) A quote:
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

An English translation of the article, from the Jan. 1998 edition of Le Nouvel Observateur, can be found at http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~pietsch/stop-war/PineSGI39599052618031716953H-100000.html, and also at http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/cyberjournal/msg00658.html. The original article in French can be found on the journal's website, http://archives.nouvelobs.com/voir_article.cfm?id=33731&mot=brzezinski

Here's the English translation, attributed to Bill Blum, author of _Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower_ (Common Courage, May 2000; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1567511945/qid=1001441776/sr=2-1/ref=sr_8_3_1/102-2261196-9992129):

2] The Afghan Trap: Interview with Brezinski
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76,
translation Bill Blum

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs, From
the Shadows, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen
in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you
were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played
a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to
the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army
invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until
now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President
Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the
pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the
president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going
to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But
perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke
it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we
knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they
[entendaient] to fight against a secret [ingérence] of the United States in
Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of
truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the
effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret
it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to
President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its
Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war
unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the
demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [intégrisme],
having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the
collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of
Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic
fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to
Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a
rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading
religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in
common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan
militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more
than what unites the Christian countries.


----- here's the original version in French; my grasp of the language isn't real good, but the translation doesn't seem too off the mark ----

Le Nouvel Observateur. ­ L'ancien directeur de la CIA Robert Gates l'affirme dans ses Mémoires (1) : les services secrets américains ont commencé à aider les
moudjahidine afghans six mois avant l'intervention soviétique. A l'époque, vous étiez le conseiller du président Carter pour les affaires de sécurité ; vous avez donc
joué un rôle clé dans cette affaire. Vous confirmez ? Zbigniew brzezinski (2). ­ Oui. Selon la version officielle de l'histoire, l'aide de la CIA aux moudjahidine a
débuté courant 1980, c'est-à-dire après que l'armée soviétique eut envahi l'Afghanistan, le 24 décembre 1979. Mais la réalité, gardée secrète jusqu'à présent, est
tout autre : c'est en effet le 3 juillet 1979 que le président Carter a signé la première directive sur l'assistance clandestine aux opposants du régime prosoviétique
de Kaboul. Et ce jour-là, j'ai écrit une note au président dans laquelle je lui expliquais qu'à mon avis cette aide allait entraîner une intervention militaire des
Soviétiques. N. O. ­ Malgré ce risque, vous étiez partisan de cette « covert action » [opération clandestine]. Mais peut-être même souhaitiez-vous cette entrée en
guerre des Soviétiques et cherchiez-vous à la provoquer ? Z. brzezinski. ­ Ce n'est pas tout à fait cela. Nous n'avons pas poussé les Russes à intervenir, mais
nous avons sciemment augmenté la probabilité qu'ils le fassent. N. O. ­ Lorsque les Soviétiques ont justifié leur intervention en affirmant qu'ils entendaient lutter
contre une ingérence secrète des Etats-Unis en Afghanistan, personne ne les a crus. Pourtant, il y avait un fond de vérité... Vous ne regrettez rien aujourd'hui? Z.
brzezinski. ­ Regretter quoi ? Cette opération secrète était une excellente idée. Elle a eu pour effet d'attirer les Russes dans le piège afghan et vous voulez que je
le regrette ? Le jour où les Soviétiques ont officiellement franchi la frontière, j'ai écrit au président Carter, en substance : « Nous avons maintenant l'occasion de
donner à l'URSS sa guerre du Vietnam. » De fait, Moscou a dû mener pendant presque dix ans une guerre insupportable pour le régime, un conflit qui a entraîné la
démoralisation et finalement l'éclatement de l'empire soviétique. N. O. ­ Vous ne regrettez pas non plus d'avoir favorisé l'intégrisme islamiste, d'avoir donné des
armes, des conseils à de futurs terroristes ? Z. brzezinski. ­ Qu'est-ce qui est le plus important au regard de l'histoire du monde ? Les talibans ou la chute de
l'empire soviétique ? Quelques excités islamistes ou la libération de l'Europe centrale et la fin de la guerre froide ? N. O. ­ « Quelques excités » ? Mais on le dit et
on le répète : le fondamentalisme islamique représente aujourd'hui une menace mondiale... Z. brzezinski. ­ Sottises ! Il faudrait, dit-on, que l'Occident ait une
politique globale à l'égard de l'islamisme. C'est stupide : il n'y a pas d'islamisme global. Regardons l'islam de manière rationnelle et non démagogique ou
émotionnelle. C'est la première religion du monde avec 1,5 milliard de fidèles. Mais qu'y a-t-il de commun entre l'Arabie Saoudite fondamentaliste, le Maroc
modéré, le Pakistan militariste, l'Egypte pro-occidentale ou l'Asie centrale sécularisée ? Rien de plus que ce qui unit les pays de la chrétienté... Propos recueillis
par Vincent Jauvert (1) « From the Shadows », par Robert Gates, Simon and Schuster. (2) Zbigniew brzezinski vient de publier « le Grand Echiquier », Bayard
Editions.
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