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Commentary :: Animal Rights
DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY! Current rating: 0
15 Nov 2004
Bow huntiing is not appropiate to kill deer because of over population in Allerton.
To the editor:
We are commenting on the deer slaughtering issue at Allerton Park. There are an estimated 383 deer and exactly 162 permits given out to the hunters per season. 24 hunters are allowed in Allerton Park per week. The population doubles about every five years. Let’s say that there was a limit (even though there actually is a limit on the number of hunters, but none for the amount of deer that they can take) and that each hunter took three deer, there would be 127 deer left. Should this happen? NO WAY! That is a tremendous decrease in deer.
A few good ideas for decreasing the population of deer without bow hunting, and possibly mutilating, deer would be creating a “force-out”, or tranquilizing and then moving the deer to a better location, such as an abandoned forest. With archery you must shoot in curtain places such as the neck; if you neglect to do this then the deer will become mutilated, and could die months later because of infection. Managing deer populations is a necessity, but surely we can do it in a more civilized manner. Deer do not deserve to suffer, and mutilation is not a humane solution. As Mark Straka stated in a previous letter to the editor, “Kids do not need to see a gut shot deer bleed out in the 4-H Camp!”


KELSEY KELLNER and ANUPAMA PILBROW
URBANA

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Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
09 Nov 2004
I don't see how moving deer to another forest addresses the problem of overpopulation; it just exports the problem elsewhere.

Until we can re-establish wolf and lynx populations, we have to kill deer to maintain a semblance of ecological balance in our forests. I agree that bow-hunting is one of the less humane methods.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
15 Nov 2004
This is the third commentary by area youth (both authors are 11) on local issues.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
15 Nov 2004
In reference to the bow hunting in Allerton park.
I do not know where allerton park is but my husband is a bow hunter here in Alberta, Canada and I know that you have to know where to shoot the deer in order for it to die quickly.
If you shoot a deer in the heart and lungs just behind its shoulder the deer dies within minutes and hardly suffers at all. I think we should look at the deer in Allerton park as an oportunity. We eat every deer that my husband kills, it is out main source of meat. And let me tell you it is absolutely delicious.
So why not use the deer to feed to homeless and hungry? It sounds like the park does have a bit of an over population problem and getting hunters to kill them is a lot cheaper than sending them somewhere else. Most bow hunters are very skilled, know where to shoot and only shoot if there is a good shot. Also deer are very smart and adaptive creatures so if a yearly hunt is not in affect, the deer population will increase considerably.

Please think about the bigger picture in terms of hunting. I believe that if the animal is killed as quickly and efficiently as possible and if all the deer is used then it is a sustainable practice. And of course much better for you than eating beef full of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides!
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
15 Nov 2004
There's one little problem with the consumption of deer meat: It's called Chronic Wasting Disease, which is the deer-version of Mad Cow Disease.

Unfortunately, this disease has spread from its stronghold in Colorado & Wyoming to deer populations in Wisconsin and other areas of Midwest -- including north central Illinois. I read about this in a fairly recent article in the Scientific American. The state of Wisconsin has already slaughtered tens of thousands of deer in an attempt to eradicate this disease from local herds. The animal rights activists are not pleased with this.

Because the prion that causes the disease is not readily destroyed by cooking, it can infect humans who eat the meat of infected deer, causing a degenerative neurological disease that is invariably fatal. Because it seems likely that this disease will continue to spread, I don't think it is advisable to eat deer meat from the Midwest.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
15 Nov 2004
Here's a good website with current information on the midwest CWD breakout.
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/whealth/issues/CWD/

There is no data currently to indicate that there are deer with CWD in East Central Illinois including Allerton, or that the disease is spreading here, though there is lots of concern that it will spread if the infected herds are not culled.

There is also no evidence yet that CWD can be transmitted to humans, though there is ongoing research into this possibility. Here's an interesting report from the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no6/03-1082.htm

Venison can be tested for CWD, which is what one program in Wisconsin apparently offers. Hunters can donate venison, and if it tests positive it will be destroyed; negative and it is donated to a food bank.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
16 Nov 2004
I've been a vegetarian for over a decade, but here are the main two reasons I agree with the bow hunting at Allerton:

I grew up hunting. Our family got a substantial part of our diet from rabbits, squirrels, various fowl, and deer that we killed in the forest. By and large, hunters have an immense respect for nature, and they are very careful to protect the habitat in which they are hunting. Furthermore, bow hunting is much more difficult than shotgun hunting of deer. It requires patience and skill; it is an art. The number of deer that run off bleeding to death from a misplaced slug from a shotgun (or worse, from something much too small to kill a deer, like a .22) is _much_ higher than those that suffer from a misplaced arrow. Non-hunters typically imagine hunting as a careless vicious violent rampage, but the opposite is usually the case. Hunting is as old as humanity, and it _connects_ people to nature, in my opinion. Take a look at how many hunters are conservationists...they recognize the value of wilderness.

In addition, we (as a culture) have destroyed the natural balance of this ecosystem by hunting to extinction the primary predators (among other crimes.) We have a duty to reintroduce those predators, or to manage the populations of prey that were previously managed by those predators. What's more, we _are_ omnivorous predators, so it seems fitting to me that we bear this mantle.

Hunting tends to get a bad rap. I think it tends to get lumped into the "gun-nut" category of wacko behaviors. But most hunters I know have a gun cabinet for rifles and shotguns which carefully store these weapons. From a very early age I learned their danger and how to take care of them. There was never a notion that they would be used on other humans. We never carried them loaded outside of the forest. Many hunters (myself included) are strong advocates of gun control, particularly of handguns and high powered weapons, which have no worthwhile purpose that I can ascertain.

There, I've exposed my bloodlust to my fellow progressives :) I honestly believe that if people were growing their own food or killing it themselves our ecosystem and in particular the other members of the Animal kingdom would be much better off. I certainly won't eat something that lived if I couldn't kill myself.

Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
16 Nov 2004
Hi,

I share your concerns, and I hope your active and engaged efforts will help people in how they view and value lives of deers.

As an aside, I have often come across deers lying dead (hit by fast cars) on windsor. I train south of campus. Once I spotted a deer on the corner of windsor/lincoln. I reported to the IMPE staff when my run ended at the gym. Over the years, I have often come across dead animals, especially squirrels.

Sincerely,
Umesh
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
16 Nov 2004
A response to Joe's comment:

Chronic wasting disease has been found in deer from Illinois, and it seems to be spreading into new areas in the U.S. and Canada. Many people who read these posts aren't from East Central Illinois, but they may live in one of the infected (or to be infected areas).

Here are some links that suggest Chronic Wasting Disease can be transmitted to humans:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/CWD20904.cfm

http://www.ems.org/creutzfeldt-jakob_disease/zz.ems.00.05.08.html

http://eces.org/articles/000661.php

http://www.ems.org/creutzfeldt-jakob_disease/zz.ems.00.05.08.html

Scientifically, the evidence is inconclusive. However, British authorities reassured members of the public that Mad Cow Disease couldn't be transmitted to humans, which was later found to be untrue. There are some disturbing cases of deer hunters who ate deer meat regularly coming down with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease at any unusually early age.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
16 Nov 2004
Here are two more links that I forgot to include:


http://www.mad-cow.org/00/may00_late_news.html

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/CWD20904.cfm
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
16 Nov 2004
> Chronic wasting disease has been found in deer from Illinois, and it seems to be spreading into new areas in the U.S. and Canada. Many people who read these posts aren't from East Central Illinois, but they may live in one of the infected (or to be infected areas).

Indeed.

> Here are some links that suggest Chronic Wasting Disease can be transmitted to humans:

> http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/CWD20904.cfm

That article says, "Scientists have found no instances in which the disease in these animals has jumped the species barrier to people, cattle or other animals. But they say that possibility is both real and worrisome."

> http://www.ems.org/creutzfeldt-jakob_disease/zz.ems.00.05.08.html

In this report an NIH study (was it ever published?) indeed found evidence of CWD transmission to humans.

> http://eces.org/articles/000661.php

This report states "there is no proof that CWD is linked to any new form of CJD in humans"

One of your citations contains evidence of transmission to humans. The other two simply report concern--well founded concern, I agree--about possible transmission to humans.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
16 Nov 2004
... just to clarify, the NIH study isn't proof--it was a study on human brain tissue in a laboratory rather than an epidemiological study--but it's proof enough for me, given the plausible transmission mechanism and how hard it is to track these diseases.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
23 Nov 2004
I've read the responses to this article and it's clear your responders are better educated on the matter of deer hunting and deer population control than the wirters of the featured article. It seems as if the writers of this "deer slaughtering" article are speaking out of "Bambi induced emotions" and a lack of understanding of hunting techniques. Doing true research will reveal the fact based need for mankind to continue to hunt, managing deer and other game populations. I am from a family of hunters and all the bow hunters I've met are proficient and responsible hunters. Thankfully, none of them try something so risky as a neck shot. They all shoot for the heart. When the deer is hit, it dies quickly. The FEW that are only wounded are tracked down, following the blood trail. Most of those are found. The FEWER deer that die wounded are greatly outnumbered by the poor deer that are wounded, suffer and die as a result of automobile strikes.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
23 Nov 2004
> It seems as if the writers of this "deer slaughtering" article are speaking out of "Bambi induced emotions" and a lack of understanding of hunting techniques.

The authors of the original post are both 11 years old, so they are probably less experienced at researching complex issues than many adults are.
Re: DEER SLAUGHTERING GOOD? NO WAY!
Current rating: 0
03 Jul 2005
. Last I checked this is still a free country. American sportsmen generate millions of dollars to support wildlife, habitat and industry every year. You may want to check with companies like Bass Pro, Cabala’s, Wal-Mart, and thousands of small business owners that rely on the out door sports for income. If you are truly unhappy with the way things are run in this country you may choose to live elsewhere, maybe Iraq Afghanistan, or another 3rd world country where human rights are violated. Perhaps your efforts should be focused on a more noble cause than trying to undermine the American sportsman.