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News :: Civil & Human Rights : Crime & Police : Government Secrecy : Media : UCIMC |
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Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
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by Sascha Meinrath
Email: sascha (nospam) ucimc.org (unverified!) |
21 Oct 2004
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As legal pressure and public outrage grows, both the UK home secretary and the FBI are now claiming that they were not involved in the seizure of two Indymedia servers that shut down 20 Indymedia Websites and multiple other online projects. |
According to questions asked by two British MPs, the UK government is now claiming that no one from UK law enforcement was involved in the server seizure:
[From: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmhansrd/cm041020/text/41020w14.htm#41020w14.html_sbhd2 ]
Indymedia
Mr. Allan: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department which UK law enforcement agencies were involved in the seizure of computer disks containing material published by Indymedia from the London offices of Rackspace. [192111]
Caroline Flint [holding answer 18 October 2004]: I can confirm that no UK law enforcement agencies were involved in the matter referred to in the question posed by the hon. Member for Sheffield, Hallam.
Jeremy Corbyn: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department under what powers, and acting under what information, officials of his Department seized web services belonging to Indymedia; and if he will make a statement. [192814]
Caroline Flint: I can confirm that no UK law enforcement agencies were involved in the matter referred to in the question posed by my hon. Friend. In the circumstances I do not therefore believe that it is necessary for me to make a statement.
However, as The Register aptly points out, "The Home Office's apparent lack of interest in court orders from non-UK jurisidictions being enforced on UK soil without the involvement of UK law enforcement agencies would however seem a fertile area for further questions." [Full story at: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/21/indymedia_home_office_denial/ ]
The FBI is now also claiming that it was not involved with the server seizure -- according to the Register, "The FBI has denied any involvement in the seizure of the servers, and although an early Agence France Presse report said a subpoeana had been issued at the request of Italian and Swiss authorities, the FBI spokesman now involved claims to have been misquoted." And the Swiss government now claims that it issued no orders concerning Indymedia.
Which begs the question, do the authorities really expect people to believe that the law enforcement agencies of both the US and the UK were not involved in legal actions in both countries? And why was the oder served in a US Court instead of going straight to the UK Home Office? Why are all the orders still veiled in secrecy?
As an interested News organization, the Urbana-Champaign IMC plans to demand information concerning the seizure of Indymedia's servers, whose jurisdiction the order fell under, why the servers were seized in the first place, etc. |
This work is in the public domain. |
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Re: Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
by rk
rek64 (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified) |
Current rating: 0
22 Oct 2004
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http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6949&abbr=cs_ |
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Re: Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
by Anna Epelbaum
aepelbaum (nospam) yahoo.com (unverified) |
Current rating: 0
22 Oct 2004
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Everything seems to support my version that it was self-inflicted wound for Indymedia to attract much more attention than it has now to its existence, as according to indy web sites contents and the very basic common sense it was no reason whatsoever for FBI and/or UK (or whichever) authorities to shut Indy servers down.
The continous 'ancores' of Sascha Meinrath about the same subject only cofirm my version, as this occurence is used by her to reclame Indymedia as wide as possible.This is widely known approach, which has been used by many persons and organizations for exactly the same purposes. So, nothing new. |
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Take Your Meds, PLEASE |
by regular UC IMC reader
(No verified email address) |
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22 Oct 2004
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When I want to read meandering, paranoid, delusional shit, there's always the easily available link to SF IMC on the sidebar. Anna, your mostly unintelligible BS is at least one step above the cesspool on the far side of San Francisco Bay, but that's the nicest thing I can say about it. No one is making anything up here, except possibly you.
Also, I have read it here before, as someone else previously noted it for your edification, but Sascha is and probably will remain male. You might want to make a note of that, so you won't sound any more stupid than you already are. |
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Re: Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
by thorn
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Current rating: 0
22 Oct 2004
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"Anna", you do know what "piss off" means, don't you? How 'bout, "Get a life"? |
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Re: Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
by Anna Epelbaum
aepelbaum (nospam) yahoo.com (unverified) |
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23 Oct 2004
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Dear authors of two last comments, have you ever learned from parents or whoever else that to use curse words ARE NOT ALLOWED in culturally settled discussions? If not, let me introduce you to this "amazingly new statement". I don't know by whom this seizure of servers has been made, but I know, FOR SURE, that this web site doesn't include ANY information , which really can cause such seizure. So, as I have been trained to think logically, I am figuring out the most probable response to this question, "Who seized two European servers?" If you see any mistake in my logic, you are welcome to argue with me, but in CIVILIZED fashion (look in this comment above!). Rude, obscene comments, like previous two, would be, of course, ignored. |
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Re: Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
by Anna Epelbaum
aepelbaum (nospam) yahoo.com (unverified) |
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23 Oct 2004
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By the way, regular reader, name Sascha in Greek, Russian and many Slavic languages is nick name from Alexander and/or Alexandra. The first one in male's name, the second-female's. I might be mistaken but it seems to me that I saw a person with this name back during IMC meeting, and it was female. So, next time someone decides to give me lingual advises and/or even orders, I would recommend this one to remember that I happened to know pretty well four languages, and pretty bad two more. |
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Re: Who Seized Indymedia's Servers? |
by Deborah Forest Hart
dfhart24 (nospam) aol.com (unverified) |
Current rating: 0
24 Oct 2004
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To Anna Epelbaum and others. I can confirm that Sascha is and has been a male. (And that is his given legal name, and would have been, as well, if he had been born a girl.) I am his mother and used to change his diapers. I would also like to comment that Sascha is, and has been a person of great depth, integrity and commitment, and that from a very early age. He also has a fine sense of humor. He has traveled widely, lived abroad and has triple citizenship. If you would like to learn more about his current level of engagement and/or past accomplishments, you can consult his personal website, or do a Google search. He has posted extensive material under "writings" on his website. |
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