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News :: Peace
Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand! Current rating: 0
05 Sep 2003
(Champaign) This Saturday, Sept. 6th, from 2-4 pm, will mark the return to North Prospect of local protests against the US war and occupation of Iraq, announced Urbana-Champaign's own Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort (AWARE). Protesters plan to occupy the same prime piece of sidewalk where they became a virtual fixture for thousands of weekend shoppers over the last two years.
(Champaign) This Saturday, Sept. 6th, from 2-4 pm, will mark the return to North Prospect of local protests against the US war and occupation of Iraq, announced Urbana-Champaign’s own Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort (AWARE). Protesters plan to occupy the same prime piece of sidewalk where they became a virtual fixture for thousands of weekend shoppers over the last two years.

He weekly protests were discontinued in May 2003 to focus the group’s attention on organizing educational events.

AWARE has a table at the Urbana Farmers’ Market every Saturday, had a table at the recent Sweet Corn Festival and Quad Day at the University of Illinois campus, and marched in the local Fourth of July parade. AWARE had planned to march in the local Labor Day parade, which was rained out.

“What have been the consequences of the war in Iraq?” asks one new pamphlet. The answer: “Over 6,000 Iraqis killed, over 1,000 US troops killed or wounded, up to $615 billion estimated costs, no ‘weapons of mass destruction’ found, terrorist threat worse than before, Iraq under military rule.”

According to discussions at AWARE meetings, the decision to return to protesting on North Prospect was based on two factors: world events and popular demand (probably related). Many protesters say even they were surprised at how thoroughly the Bush Administration’s justifications for war have unraveled. And volunteer-organizers say they have been approached at various events by supporters who ask when the group would begin protesting again.

From October 2002 to May 2003 the all-volunteer group organized weekly protests that attracted over 800 area residents, many of whom returned week after week. Attendance at the demonstrations peaked just before the US invasion of Iraq, when war supporters began holding corporate-sponsored counter-demonstrations.

Hundreds of area residents also donated thousands of dollars to support AWARE’s peace work, even though local pro-war leaders claimed the group was “controlled by foreign puppet-masters.”

“Damn those foreign puppet-masters!” joked one protester. “I’m still waiting for my check!”



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Note The Hours
Current rating: 0
06 Sep 2003
The News-Gazette ran a story on the resumption of Prospect for Peace on page B-3 of its Saturday edition. In the traditional way in which the N-G gets so much of the news that doesn't fit their world view not quite right right, they listed the hours of PfP as 3-4pm. Please be assured that the hours are actually 2-4pm, as stated here by Ricky Baldwin.
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 0
08 Sep 2003
I thought I was under the influence of foreign "Pay-masters", not mere "puppet masters".

Jeez, get it right.
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: -3
09 Sep 2003
Modified: 12:56:18 PM
Hey it's me Jack,

I see you guys are back and therefore so am I. I would have thought that the end of the Clinton Recession and the Bush Recovery would have allowed most of you the opportunity to find a job. Sadly, it does appear that you all still have a great deal of excess time on your hands. I guess employment truly is a lagging economic indicator. You ask, "What have been the consequences of the war in Iraq?”
1. No more mass graves filled with Saddam's political opponents.
2. No more can Iraq sponsor world wide terror.
3. No Iraqi WMD will be created for a strike agains the US or her allies.
4. We have taken the fight to them rather than retreating on our own soil.
5. No one drop of oil revenue has gone into the US treasury as you conveniently thought was our original motivation for war.
6. We now have a Middle East base of operations to kick the crap out any would be future enemy (Iran, Syria, Yemen etc.)

7. A future Arab democracy is born and the Iraqi people are free.

Yes, the transition to freedom will be difficult, but well worth it. Thanks to Bush and the ultimate sacrifice of our brave armed forces.

Take Care,

Jack
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 3
09 Sep 2003
Modified: 03:05:46 PM
I'm responding to Jack, who seems to have more time on his hands than any of us, even though I know it will probably only encourage him. I won't respond if he snps back - I really don't have time for his nonsense. But, who knows? Maybe if it keeps him from looking for a job, some deserving soul may get one :-)

Just a note on the so-called "Bush Recovery": the latest unemployment figures show 94,000 jobs lost last month, the 7th straight month of dramatic loss since the official "end of the recession." Hmmm. Combine that with record deficits, and that's some job on the economy, Junior!

At any rate, Jacks's 7 points actually show a remarkable ability to twist language, Clinton-style, as does Bush's 'I-wasn't-lying,-I-was-just-quoting-British-lies' speech.

1. "No mass graves filled with Saddam's opponents"? - Does it really matter, Jack, whether they are in 'mass graves' or just buried under bombed hospitals, etc? The fact is, the US killed more innocent Iraqis in a month than Saddam did in the last few years.

2. Iraqi sponsorship or no, terrorism recruiting is up worldwide, or hadn't you been paying attention?

3. This is not a change, as all the evidencee suggests (in case you're at all interested in evidence).

4. Bad dream, Jack? The US was already a very aggressive state, one of the most violent in the world if we consider scale of the killing at all important. This goes for Dem as well as GOP administrations.

5. True, the oil revenue is pouring into US corporate coffers, such as VP Dick Cheney's Halliburton, not the US treasury - as most of these corps don't pay their taxes.

6. Ah! Finally, the true motivation for the brutal 'liberation': establishing another military outpost to terrorize the world, control of the world's oil supply of course being a part of this goal. The Saudis, you see, are becoming unreliable, and Israel just isn't enough.

7. "future" Arab democracy is a carefully chosen phrase, of course, since Iraq is now under a foreign military dictatorship with no elections in sight. But "free"? Iraqis live under a permanent curfew, suffering from starvation and disease, 50 percent unemployment in some places, car bombs and other terrorist attacks constantly, risking death if they demonstrate against their 'liberators', watching US-censored Iraqi TV - actually, occupied Iraq manages a miracle: it makes occupied Afghanistan look good. And just glance at the AP story in the News-Gazette yesterday for a glimpse of what life is like there, since the US decided to "free" them: US-backed warlords menace most of the country, accelerating opium production to pre-Taliban levels, murdering, stealing, etc.

Wow, Jack- if that's freedom, please don't try to bring it back here!!!
Your Taxes At Work
Current rating: 1
09 Sep 2003
http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/?page=1
OK, I'm Really Sorry About That
Current rating: 0
09 Sep 2003
Modified: 05:54:00 PM
Listen, I want to apologize for that last post, in fact, for my whole presence here. It is really sick of me to be lusting in the misery and ruin of others. My therapist has been telling me that for months. She keeps pointing out how disturbed it is to be cheering anyone on in the pursuit of killing and mayhem.

I this way I have come to discover the reality that our great nation lives in as I realize my life has been built on lies, just like the whole story of the Iraqi WMDs seems to have been. Sadly, I have to say that I am not that much different from the President, who has the same bloodlust as I in that he only has the courage to vicariously experience violence through placing others, including our brave service men and women, in harm's way to satisfy an ill-reasoned personal agenda of hate.

I also have to tell you that I have been trying to get better, ever since July 4th, when I was found wandering up Prospect Avenue at midnight in a drunken stupor, naked except for where I'd smeared my body with red, white, and blue paint. The time at the Pavilion helped and so have the meds. Thank God that my friends at the News Gazette covered that up.

I simply have to find the personal courage, a trait in which I actually am almost totally lacking (despite my bravado), to keep taking my meds. I will have relapses, but please try to be understanding and encouraging as I try to put my life back together.
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 0
09 Sep 2003
Now we see what happens when commentators don't validate their email. If you want to isolate your main account from flames spilling over from bulletin board discussions, set up a Yahoo account for all your online forays. They're all only electrons, after all.
Get A Job?
Current rating: 0
12 Sep 2003

Get a job? Huh?

I can't speak for the other participants, but of course I have a job. I have the same job I've had for years - full time, full benefits, phat salary, pension, the whole nine yards. My job is so swank, in fact, that I don't need to work weekends - which gives me time to protest on the highway on a fine Saturday afternoon.

Mostly when people yell at me to "get a job" from the road, I just laugh. I do feel badly for the 3 million jobs lost since Bush got elected (mind you, no proof he's to BLAME for that, but the idea that he's engineering any sort of job INCREASE emits bogons) but so far, I'm doing just fine.

Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: -2
17 Sep 2003
Dear Mink,

Glad to hear that things are going so well for you economically speaking. I had no idea "Dog & Suds" had such a progressive benefit package. You should put in a good word for your unemployed, fellow protesters. NO WEEKENDS, Wow, I would imagine that's virtually unheard of in the fast food arena. You must have a great deal of seniority. Nice to hear that you do have to rely on the government for your livelyhood. I hope you enjoy your tax cut.

Take Care,

Jack
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 0
18 Sep 2003
Modified: 09:20:07 PM

The Dog'n'Suds up by the strip malls has been closed for months, actually. I dunno if they were any good, as I've never eaten at a Dog'n'Suds anywhere. I hear they had good root beer floats.

In all honesty, I've never worked fast food. I have been a dishwasher (extra help at U of I, if anyone cares) but I've never done "the front half" of the restaurant biz, either waiting or cooking. When I was a dishwasher, I had to work weekends every other week or so.

Other than dishwashing, my employment has all been as either a translator (staff or freelance) or a computer programmer. In fact, I got into computer programming from a job where I started doing bilingual data entry for the place that currently powers the babelfish online translation stuff. Back then, of course, there was no web, but also back then, they hired on the basis of an exam. Our contracts were mainly for the Air Force and FBIS (Foreign Broadcast Information Service). Some of the European language software was used by Xerox to translate their manuals. Yep, we made machine translation software, such as it is. They still do.

These days, I'm still working as a programmer, and working for the U of I. Pay is good (granted, not as high as the private sector, but plenty enough for me, and on the good end of local averages), the work is quite interesting, and the benefits rock. I suppose in a way I do rely on the government for my livelihood, seeing as I'm a state employee paid out of state funds.

But hey - I'm part of that vaunted "information economy." Woooo!

So - no need to work weekends unless we're all really in a crunch for something or other to go live. That leaves lots of time to go hold signs on N. Prospect on a fine Saturday, with my other happily employed friends - farmers, professors, other programmers, business owners, and yes, even a few restaurant/fast food workers. Plus a coupla stay at home moms, some kids, a system administrator or two, and some students from U of I.

Most of the tax cut largesse I keep track of (particularly the one time checks we get from the Shrub) and save it up to fund people to go to various protests around. I can't usually go to the ones far from home as I have to work.

Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 0
24 Sep 2003
Dear Mink,

Pretty funny response. Have fun out at the protest and be safe, even though I disagree with everything you folks represent.

Take Care,

Jack
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 0
05 Oct 2003
Hey, how did you all like all those bikers that showed up Saturday waving American Flags? I know the public sure loved them..... what a refreshing change of pace they were out on North Prospect! :)
Re: Prospect For Peace: Back By Popular Demand!
Current rating: 0
21 Dec 2003
Hello Jack Ryan,

Are you the same Jack Ryan who is the Illinois Republican Candidate for U.S. Senate?